Is an "occasion of sin", a sin, or not?

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I think the phrase you’re looking for is “NEAR occasion of sin.” Being in a NOS is not intrinsically sinful. But if you intentionally pursue such occasions, or fail to take steps to avoid them, it would seem to indicate a sinful desire.
 
The “near occasion of sin” is, in iteself, not sinful but it MAY lead you into actual sin and therefore it should be avoided.
 
And if you don’t take the proper precautions while in one, or delibrately seek one out without providing the proper precautions to avoid falling while in it…then, yes, I’d say its a sin. Temptation isn’t a sin, but delibrately playing with temptation is itself a sin.
 
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And if you don’t take the proper precautions while in one, or delibrately seek one out without providing the proper precautions to avoid falling while in it…then, yes, I’d say its a sin. Temptation isn’t a sin, but delibrately playing with temptation is itself a sin.
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Mortal or venial sin?
 
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And if you don’t take the proper precautions while in one, or delibrately seek one out without providing the proper precautions to avoid falling while in it…then, yes, I’d say its a sin. Temptation isn’t a sin, but delibrately playing with temptation is itself a sin.
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I disagree. That would be part of the actual sin committed. Remember a sin has three parts – (1) knowing that it is sinful; (2) wanting to do it; and (3) doing it.

It would fall under #2.
 
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I disagree. That would be part of the actual sin committed. Remember a sin has three parts – (1) knowing that it is sinful; (2) wanting to do it; and (3) doing it.

It would fall under #2.
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That is not correct. An act may not be sinful; however if you think that it is sinful and you perform such an act then you incurr into sin. Intention of sinning is a sin by itself, because you intend to reject God.
 
Your 3 conditions do not define sinful. There are 3 conditions for Moral sins but these are not them.

For example: You don’t need to know it is sinful to be a venial sin. Venial sins can be done inadvertantly and when the consequences are revealed you would discover your action was sinful, or reflection upon how it affected your relationship with God or man.

Sometimes the same action can be either a venial sin or no sin at all. It would depend on intent.

The requirement for knowledge is for Mortal sins.

Sins are slippery things, that is why we are asked not to judge others.

Have to go. Have fun with this
 
Your list of sin requirements are accurate, but not complete. The statement you quoted does agree with what you said. Whenever you fulfil the 3 items, it does lead to sin. But in some cases you can sin without fulfilling the 3 items.

I think another question would be on “1) Knowing it’s a sin.”
What if you ‘know’ it’s a sin but are wrong. For example, praying for someone in hell. You may believe it’s a sin, but think the greater good is served by doing it. (ie more good comes of it than the harm is done to your own relationship with God. The good would be that perhaps the soul could be moved to a part of Hell that is less opressive – there are levels of Hell just like in Heaven).

I don’t know if that is a sin, but I don’t think so. Would it become sinful because you think it is a sin? Possibly. Yet you did not know it was a sin, you believed it was a sin. Therefore being incorrect in 1) you may have sinned because you intentionally defied what you believed God wanted of you.

This is why we confess sins to a priest, he can look at our actions and give spiritual direction. He can help us discern sin from failings.
 
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