Why would anyone want to have toxic or corrosive ingredients in their toiletries, cosmetics, skin care in the first place? There are a lot of substances that can be safely used so there is no question of non safe amounts. This would also apply to household products too.Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest the toxicity and irritations of such substances be tested, given that we can’t get away from using substances that can be toxic at high doses in our daily lives?
Exactly!!! Why pour corrosive chemicals on your head when you can choose a product that has gentler, more natural ingredients!!! The rabbit wins, and so does your head!!!**Why would anyone want to have toxic or corrosive ingredients in their toiletries, cosmetics, skin care in the first place? There are a lot of substances that can be safely used so there is no question of non safe amounts. This would also apply to household products too. **
Gobbldeygook.Exactly!!! Why pour corrosive chemicals on your head when you can choose a product that has gentler, more natural ingredients!!! The rabbit wins, and so does your head!!!
If ypu want to use toxic and or corrosive substances on yourself and your stuff, you are just hurting animals, the environment and yourself, all of God’s creation. The quick easy way is not always the best or right way.Gobbldeygook.
I use what works. I’ve tried some"gentle" stuff, and more often than not, its crāp
There are numerous products that are very effective that do not use harsh chemicals/ingredients. It is safer for a household, especially where young children are present, to reduce access to toxic chemicals in personal and household cleaning products. Here is some information from *Tom’s of Maine *products. I have not used these products myself, but Tom’s explains the chemicals often used in personal toiletries and why they don’t use them, and the alternatives that they do use instead. Very interesting information that also impacts individual health. tomsofmaine.com/products/ingredients-not-in-our-products.aspxGobbldeygook.
I use what works. I’ve tried some"gentle" stuff, and more often than not, its crāp
Yes, the toxic substances also affect the environment and contribute to pollution and degradation of our soils and waters (and all organisms that live in these).If you want to use toxic and or corrosive substances on yourself and your stuff, you are just hurting animals, the environment and yourself, all of God’s creation. The quick easy way is not always the best or right way.
Maybe if you payed a little more attention to people and a little less to animals, this world would be better offIf ypu want to use toxic and or corrosive substances on yourself and your stuff, you are just hurting animals, the environment and yourself, all of God’s creation. The quick easy way is not always the best or right way.
Cok’n’bullYes, the toxic substances also affect the environment and contribute to pollution and degradation of our soils and waters (and all organisms that live in these).
Maybe the world would be a better place if you learned some respect.Maybe if you payed a little more attention to people and a little less to animals, this world would be better off
Cok’n’bull
Maybe the world would be a better place if consumers paid more attention to what the big companies are pedalling to us. Consumers often pay attention *AFTER *the damage has been done. Consumers often turn a blind eye, assuming everything that is being sold to them is SAFE, healthy, etc. The big conglomerates only care about profit, and this rules all of their decisions. It is the consumer, who unfortunately, must take a role in helping to keep these companies honest.Maybe if you payed a little more attention to people and a little less to animals, this world would be better off Cok’n’bull
This response IS inappropriate in this discussion. Please phrase your responses as discussion/debate of the topic. The idea is not to attack other posters, but to explore the issue being discussed. Please present your pros, cons, supportive evidence, links, etc., that enhance your position.Maybe if you payed a little more attention to people and a little less to animals, this world would be better off Cok’n’bull
Respect for what: Putting animals above people?Maybe the world would be a better place if you learned some respect.
Please, spare me.Maybe the world would be a better place if consumers paid more attention to what the big companies are pedalling to us…
This is a thread on which we are having and want to have a respectful discussion. You do not have to agree with my views but you need to post properly. You are just throwing barbs. If you are so sure you are right why don’t you give your view. We will listen even if we do not agree. If you are so angry and just want to throw insults perhaps you need to stay away. Why so much anger, sounds defensive to me.Respect for what: Putting animals above people?
No thank you.
If we do not have respect for others, do not respect God’s creation, are okay cruelty, aren’t we making us less that what we are.Respect for what: Putting animals above people?
No thank you.
I believe the respect requested is for the other (human) posters on this thread. As in all threads there will be differing perspectives, personal opinions, different sources of information/resources presented.Respect for what: Putting animals above people?
No thank you.
Well… good for AVON then - they have found a way to do good and do well.AVON simply does what they do as a marketing ploy. They are appealing to the good natured yet misguided sensibilities of those who would then buy their product.
Given that shampooing an animal to test its effectiveness at producing clean hair is no more a situation causing it needless suffering than is putting a non-tested product on the market and hoping it will cause no ill effect in the people who use it, it would then seem there is no violation of the CCC in having a clean and fresh sheep. I would think we should show more support for companies who value human beings over animals.
Yes, good research Mary. I would point out that the resources that you provided come directly from the companies themselves. And it is obvious that they do see the need to address this issue. They ARE working at REDUCING animal testing and phasing some of these practices out–but they are NOT completely there. (And one good reason that they are phasing this out is because of public outcry.)pg.com/science/PG_Q1_06.pdf
unilever.com/sustainability/people/consumers/animaltesting/
I posted 2 links, one for Proctor and Gamble, one for Unilever. Both conglomarates seem to be not using or phasing out animal testing.
Since, it is hard to find products not made by these two, where are these bunnies being tortured with shampoo? Does it actually happen on a wide basis?
It does seem mean to torture a bunny with a head clamp…but is that what is happening in the labs?
I would disagree but I wouldn’t want to be considered a “neight” sayer.The best shampoos and conditioners on the market are found among those that are made for the show horse industry. There is good reason for that as well.
The mental image of them testing makeup on cats and dogs cracks me up. sounds like something little girls would do to their overly patient pet.AVON simply does what they do as a marketing ploy. They are appealing to the good natured yet misguided sensibilities of those who would then buy their product.
Given that shampooing an animal to test its effectiveness at producing clean hair is no more a situation causing it needless suffering than is putting a non-tested product on the market and hoping it will cause no ill effect in the people who use it, it would then seem there is no violation of the CCC in having a clean and fresh sheep. I would think we should show more support for companies who value human beings over animals.