Is Antichrist too harsh?

[IronHammer]

Just saw this at Catholic Online:

To paraphrase St. John: “If anyone says, ‘I love God,’ but votes for FOCA, thus showing a disregard for his pre-born brother or sister, he is a liar.”

Is it too strong language to say that this kind of person is antichrist? I feel this kind of strong impression is called for at this time.

 

[John7]

Just saw this at Catholic Online:

To paraphrase St. John: “If anyone says, ‘I love God,’ but votes for FOCA, thus showing a disregard for his pre-born brother or sister, he is a liar.”

Is it too strong language to say that this kind of person is antichrist? I feel this kind of strong impression is called for at this time.

I kindof agree with the first part, but the second part about the antichrist I disagree with. Antichrist is a term reserved specifically for a person denying that Jesus is the Christ as well as not confessing that Jesus has come in the flesh,
1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that antichrist…”

 

[IronHammer]

I kindof agree with the first part, but the second part about the antichrist I disagree with. Antichrist is a term reserved specifically for a person denying that Jesus is the Christ as well as not confessing that Jesus has come in the flesh,
1 John 2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that antichrist…”

Good point. I think I was looking for a way to express the idea that these people are christian in name only. That they are, in fact, against Christ (anti Christ) by believing that abortion is acceptable.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Good point. I think I was looking for a way to express the idea that these people are christian in name only. That they are, in fact, against Christ (anti Christ) by believing that abortion is acceptable.

Indications that a person is not being Christian (according to The Christ)
Matthew 5:22
1 Peter 3:9

“Anti-Christ” falls within the above.

 

[Dale_M]

That they are, in fact, against Christ (anti Christ) by believing that abortion is acceptable.

Some Christian denominations believe that abortion is acceptable.

The Protestant religious bodies which support the right to abortion, at least in some circumstances, include: American Baptist Churches, U.S.A.; American Friends Service Committee; Lutheran Church in America; Presbyterian Church; Reorganized LDS; Unitarian Universalist; United Church of Christ; United Methodist Church; the Episcopal Church; the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the Moravian Church in America.

Protestant Churches which oppose abortion include the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, Lutheran Church-Wisconsin Synod and Southern Baptist.

The teaching of two denominations – Methodist and Presbyterian – are representative of most mainstream Protestant denominations. A statement in the Social Principles of The United Methodist Church reads: … “our belief in the sanctity of unborn human life makes us reluctant to approve abortion. But we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy.” Methodist teaching is that, “Governmental laws and regulations do not provide all the guidance required by the informed Christian conscience. Therefore, a decision concerning abortion should be made…by the parties involved, with medical, pastoral and other appropriate counsel.”

According to the Presbyterian Church, U.S.A., “Problem pregnancies are the result of so many complicated and unsolvable circumstances that we have neither the wisdom nor the authority to decide each situation…We affirm the ability and responsibility of women, guided by the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit, to make good moral choices in regard to problem pregnancies…Possible justifying circumstances would include medical indications of severe physical or mental deformity, conception as a result of rape or incest, or conditions under which the physical or mental health of either woman or child would be gravely threatened…Presbyterians, like other Protestants, hold varying points of view about when human life begins…Therefore, if abortion is the decision, the earlier the better.”

sonomacountyfreepress.com/body/religion_and_abortion_2.html

 

[yellowbicycle]

I thought anti-christ was simply someone who, well, denied christ. I didn’t ever think it meant anything more sinister than that.

 

[mlchance]

Some Christian denominations believe that abortion is acceptable.

If we’re going to go by what some believe, then pretty much nothing is off limits (or everything is, depending on your perspective). That hardly seems like a productive course to take.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Dale_M]

If we’re going to go by what some believe, then pretty much nothing is off limits (or everything is, depending on your perspective). That hardly seems like a productive course to take.

Yours is a reasonable statement. But earlier it was claimed that to be pro-choice was to be anti-Christian. I was merely pointing out that many denominations of Christianity disagree with that claim.

 

[IronHammer]

Some Christian denominations believe that abortion is acceptable.

The archbishop, in his speech, was specifically referring to catholics. It really doesn’t surprise me though that many Protestant denominations accept abortion. They can hardly claim to be Christian in the true sense, since they continue to “edit God’s mail”, as Dr. Peter Kreeft puts it so well. I believe in moral absolutes, just as Christ did.

No, the catholic who supports abortion is against Christ and is a wolf in sheep’s clothing (and hence, anti-christ). It is my belief that a very real persecution is brewing between secular liberals and the Catholic Church, the staunchest and steadfast proponent of ALL of Christ’s teachings. Protestants are peripheral and will simply be caught in the crossfire. The battles lines will be drawn around sexual freedoms. G.K Chesterton put it quite succinctly when he said
For the next great heresy is going to be simply an attack on morality; and especially on sexual morality. And it is coming, not from a few Socialists surviving from the Fabian Society, but from the living exultant energy of the rich resolved to enjoy themselves at last, with neither Popery nor Puritanism nor Socialism to hold them back … The madness of tomorrow is not in Moscow, but much more in Manhattan.
What is the abortion and homosexuality issues really about if not sex? They will tell you it’s about freedom, but it’s about freedom to do with sex whatever they please, without restraint.

I believe that God is getting ready to allow His Church to be persecuted again. Christians will be tested in their faith. Their true colors will shine forth, good or bad. His Church will be purged and made clean and small and pure again. Ultimately, it will have the effect of causing large numbers of Protestants to suddenly realize the error in their “protest” thereby uniting His children again into one Church as Christ prayed that we would all be.

Sorry, I guess I went a bit deep, but that’s why I posted in the first place. I believe we are on the eve of something terrible that will be committed against Christianity in the name of “freedom” and “human rights”.

 

[Feanor]

The thought of the Anti-Christ as a demonic historical figure is comic booklike and is more of a Protestant idea.

The more common Catholic understanding is that the anti-christ is a profound heresy effecting humankind. The book of Revelations is not to be taken literally.