Is anyone changing the way they receive communion because of the swine flu?

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  1. “It may be helpful” is not a very definitive statement. It may be helpful, or it may prove not-to-be-helpful. He. is not making any claims that it will be helpful.
If you can show me where the Church says that reception in the hand is “a right” I’ll give you a turkey.
So you basically see some of the same things I saw. I took it more as an affirmation of Communion on the tongue. I had forgotten the “it may be helpful” part, but I sure got the impression that the Cardinal believed in supporting the right to receive as one wants.

I will have to cook roast instead. If anything the Church may withdraw permission to receive in the hand some day. I trust we all will be obedient if that happens.
 
So you basically see some of the same things I saw. I took it more as an affirmation of Communion on the tongue. I had forgotten the “it may be helpful” part, but I sure got the impression that the Cardinal believed in supporting the right to receive as one wants.

I will have to cook roast instead. If anything the Church may withdraw permission to receive in the hand some day. I trust we all will be obedient if that happens.
There is no “right to receive as one wants” There is a right to receive Communion which applies to Catholics who are properly disposed. There is a right to a licit celebration of the Sacraments. The Church does say clearly that there is a right to receive on the tongue. The option of receiving on tongue or hand is an option which belongs to the individual communicant, provided that this is permitted in that place, and provided that it is done w/o any danger of disrespect, but it’s not a “right.”

Your first post might have had a typo, because you wrote about a “right to receive in the hand.” Was that what you meant?

Yes, I do agree that he is affirming the right to receive on the tongue–or at the very least he may be making an attempt to clarify that he cannot forbid Communion on the tongue, and is trying to avoid anyone using his words in a way that he didn’t intend. It’s not hard to imagine someone saying “Cardinal X says that Communion on the tongue is forbidden,” when he said no such thing.
 
At this weekend’s Masses I made a point of paying attention to just how much contact goes on at Communion time.

Not once did my fingers contact any part of anyone’s mouth when distributing on the tongue.

About 2 out of every 3 people who received in the hand had some kind of contact with my fingers.

I made it a point to avoid contact using either method, so I am admitting up-front that I was more particular about this than usual.

Interrestingly, the I found that the least likely method for coming into contact with the communicant was when they received on the tongue and kneeling. Afterwards, I thought about this and realized the reason. When people are standing, they are “in motion” the transition from standing to walking is so natural that many people hardly even come to a full stop when receiving Communion–especially those receiving in the hand. If there were a red sign at the altar rails, I would have written a lot of tickets for a “California stop.”😉 On the other hand, when people are kneeling, there is some effort involved in transitioning from kneeling to walking. People who receive kneeling are more likely to “be still” when they do so.

What I noticed is that whatever method is used, the real “culprit” for contact between the fingers and the communicant is motion. Most of the contact with communicants hands had little to do with the method of placing the host, and much more to do with how quickly the communicant moved his hands–either the motion of the hands themselves, or the movement of the whole body.

And just for the record, I was not once licked, bitten, or slobbered upon.👍
I appreciate your example, but anecdotal evidence doesn’t really prove anything. Not everyone is you. 🙂
 
Your first post might have had a typo, because you wrote about a “right to receive in the hand.” Was that what you meant?
A major typo and a reversal of what I meant. ( My wife can’t stand it when I do this.)

You have correctly determined that what I *meant *to say was that I thought this letter an affirmation of the right to receive on the tongue. I am very sorry for the confusion.
 
I appreciate your example, but anecdotal evidence doesn’t really prove anything. Not everyone is you. 🙂
Fair enough. But keep in mind, I wasn’t trying to “prove” anything. Just sharing an experience.
 
Fr I think you are to be commended for staying on top of how you distribute communion

We keep hearing it is too soon to know how this flu stuff is going to pan out, and that it could become much worse

Anything we can do to help stop the spread of germs is worth doing…I am sure your parishioners would be happy to know that you are thinking about their welfare when you distribute communion:thumbsup:
 
A major typo and a reversal of what I meant. ( My wife can’t stand it when I do this.)

You have correctly determined that what I *meant *to say was that I thought this letter an affirmation of the right to receive on the tongue. I am very sorry for the confusion.
Whew. That’s a relief.

Besides, Spring gobler season is over. You’d have to wait for the Fall to get your turkey.

😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛
(sorry, couldn’t help it!)
 
One more interesting thing this Sunday: we had hand-sanitizer at all the Church entrances. I am not all that concerned about the swine flu, but I thought that was an interesting idea. I am going to suggest we might resume thae every winter. At work, we are using this hype, right or wrong, to tighten up sanitation that we should have always had in place.
 
We have hand sanitizer and the EM are told to use it before and after they distribute communion…During flu season, the greeters are told not to shake peoples hands, just to say hello and welcome

We don’t hold hand during the Our Father ,nor shake hands during the rite of peace…
 
One more interesting thing this Sunday: we had hand-sanitizer at all the Church entrances. I am not all that concerned about the swine flu, but I thought that was an interesting idea. I am going to suggest we might resume thae every winter. At work, we are using this hype, right or wrong, to tighten up sanitation that we should have always had in place.
I’ve often wondered about that. The hand sanitizers I’ve seen say that they work against bacteria but say nothing about being effective against viruses. The flu-formerly-known-as-swine-flu is caused by a virus. I wonder if these things to anything beyond making us feel better, and possible keeping us from spreading other bacteria?
 
I’ve often wondered about that. The hand sanitizers I’ve seen say that they work against bacteria but say nothing about being effective against viruses. The flu-formerly-known-as-swine-flu is caused by a virus. I wonder if these things to anything beyond making us feel better, and possible keeping us from spreading other bacteria?
From what I have read, you have to get up above 60-70% concentration, but then they are effective. Also, nothing beats proper hand-washing.

cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm

The CDC still has the alcohol based gel as a suggestion on their site.
 
With all due respect, Rev. Fr., since the USCCB has received the indult for communion in the hand, and the USCCB has left the final say to the bishops, if the bishop says his flock have the right to receive in the hand, then as moderator of the liturgy of his diocese, they have that right within his diocese at masses offered by clerics of his diocese or otherwise under his authority.

Rome has said he can’t delete their right to receive on the tongue (tho’ I’d argue that an extraordinary circumstance may be exception for a short duration, especially when the alternative is no public communion).

I’ve never had a cleric deny communion on the tongue, (tho I’ve been denied communion for “making the sign of the cross wrong” by a priest from the Philippines; the pastor noticed and corrected him). I’ve had my upper lip touched by roman priests on several occasions, and often my mustache. My moustache sticks out maybe 7mm…

It varies widely. There are a couple I know won’t, and a couple I prefer in the hand to in order to not take a chance on.

(Once, I was hit in the teeth with a spoon… I was shaking (low blood sugar), and the priest was shaky.)

Accidents happen.
 
It cracks me up to hear how gung-ho some priests and parishes have been about “requesting” that people receive in the hand due to health concerns. Just the fact that you are attending Mass in a crowded church has increased your risk of contracting just about any bug that’s going around. Think about it:

The first thing you do is probably touch the door handle to go inside the church. Do you really think every person who touched that handle is germ-free?

You touch the hymnals, the missalettes, the back of the pew in front of you. Same question.

You sit back and the person behind you might still be kneeling, probably NOT wearing a face mask, breathing prayers down your neck.

Not every parish has done away with holy water fonts, the priests greeting people after Mass, or the parish coffee hour.

I would be willing to bet the risk of contracting ANY contagious illness is probably greater at a mall, restaurant or movie theatre (without direct person-to-person contact) than it is from receiving communion on the tongue.

Our pediatrician has told us that the media hype has blown this out of proportion. Yes it’s a serious illness, there is no vaccine for it, but there is treatment and everyone knows that a “regular” flu shot won’t guarantee you won’t get “regular” flu (believe me, for four years running, my husband got the flu shot… and got the flu. I never got the shot and I never got the flu–and I lived with the man and slept in the same bed with him!) Hundreds of people in the US die of “regular” flu every year and no one seems to be panicking about that.

Cover your coughs and sneezes, wash your hands frequently, stay home if you’re sick and see a doctor for treatment. It’s not the bubonic plague. Let’s not scare ourselves into making it worse than it is.
 
With all due respect, Rev. Fr., since the USCCB has received the indult for communion in the hand, and the USCCB has left the final say to the bishops, if the bishop says his flock have the right to receive in the hand, then as moderator of the liturgy of his diocese, they have that right within his diocese at masses offered by clerics of his diocese or otherwise under his authority.

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I take issue with the use of the word “right.” Just because something may be permitted under certain circumstances, does not mean that this is a right.

The USCCB has not left this up to the bishops. The indult applies to all the territory of the USCCB. Yes, the bishop is the moderator of the liturgy within his diocese, but again that’s not the same thing as saying that a right exists for the faithful to receive this way. It is an option. It is a decision to be made by the communicant, but not a right by any means.

It is also the responsibility of the priest to ensure that Communion in the hand is not done if there is any danger of disrespect for the Eucharist. That means that he has to be the judge of whether or not to allow this for each individual communicant. This isn’t to be taken lightly, nor to be done arbitrarily–he can’t say “I feel it’s always irreverent to receive in the hand, so I don’t do it.” If this were indeed a right, the priest would not have the responsibility of deciding here.

I’ll make the same offer: If you can show where the Church says that there is a right to receive Communion in the hand, I’ll give you a turkey. And keep in mind that the Church has said many times that reception on the tongue is indeed a right, so it’s not as if this matter hasn’t been addressed.
 
there is nothing wrong with just receiving the host. for 1500yrs the catholic church only allowed the host to be distributed to receive Christ unless one was allergic.

the host alone is just as much the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ as the host and wine together.
 
I’m so annoyed that our Parish had stopped offering the Cup and also refuses to OFFER the Eucharist on the tongue! :mad:

How am I supposed to receive when both my arms are occupied holding a baby!?! :confused:

I just sent an email to our diocese so hopefully they’ll contact the parish directly. :o
 
I found this on the net from yahoo

Being a nursing student and recently taken microbiology, I have actually done an experiment with one of these products. They do not kill viruses because viruses are not alive until they enter the body and obtain a sample of its victims DNA. This is why they are so hard to cure. To answer your question, applying the hand sanitizer alone will not kill germs and bacteria. When applying them you should briskly rub it on your hands. It is the rubbing action along with the ingredients in the sanitizer that kills the bacteria.
* 3 years ago
 
Yes, viruses are not alive in the sense that we think, but that does not mean that they can’t be killed. Despite what a nursing student thinks, the CDC believes they can be sanitized. I also found this government website

pandemicflu.gov/plan/individual/panfacts.html
Clean your hands as soon as possible after coughing, sneezing, or blowing your nose.
    • Use soap and water and wash your hands for 15 - 20 seconds; or
    • Use alcohol-based hand wipes or alcohol-based (60-95% alcohol) gel hand sanitizers; rub these on the hands until the liquid or gel dries.
Carry alcohol-based hand wipes or alcohol-based (60-95% alcohol) hand-sanitizing gels with you to clean your hands when you are out in public.
Also, this site on controling avian viruses.avian-influenza-disinfectant.com/avian_influenza.htm
Influenza viruses are killed by most detergents and disinfectants. Just be aware of the fact organic material has a negative effect on the efficacy of a disinfectant:
While this is a commercial application, it does show that viruses can be be disinfected.
 
Yes, viruses are not alive in the sense that we think, but that does not mean that they can’t be killed. Despite what a nursing student thinks, the CDC believes they can be sanitized. I also found this government website

pandemicflu.gov/plan/individual/panfacts.html

Also, this site on controling avian viruses.avian-influenza-disinfectant.com/avian_influenza.htm
While this is a commercial application, it does show that viruses can be be disinfected.
In other words, it is necessary to have a combination of getting the santitizer well into the the prints and folds of the skin on your hand and keeping it there long enough and in a sufficient quantity to do the job.

Use a bunch–a pool the size of a quarter is an oft-quoted amount–and keep rubbing until it is dry. This takes awhile. Otherwise, using a sanitizer is just a superstitious ritual.

Soap and water is preferred, though…and again, in a quantity and an amount of time to do the job. (They teach the kids now to sing the Alphabet Song or Twinkle-Twinkle-Little-Star at a normal pace.)
 
In other words, it is necessary to have a combination of getting the santitizer well into the the prints and folds of the skin on your hand and keeping it there long enough and in a sufficient quantity to do the job.

Use a bunch–a pool the size of a quarter is an oft-quoted amount–and keep rubbing until it is dry. This takes awhile. Otherwise, using a sanitizer is just a superstitious ritual.

Soap and water is preferred, though…and again, in a quantity and an amount of time to do the job. (They teach the kids now to sing the Alphabet Song or Twinkle-Twinkle-Little-Star at a normal pace.)
I just ppsted the links so that no one thinks there is no point in anything, as was done in the earlier post. Not only am I not a doctor, this is not the place for medical advice. I think we all need to be cautious about say something is useless.
 
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