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I agree…I don’t think we will ever know what really happened
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your posts never surprise me…Really?! are you serious?!Yes! Osama is feeling quite toasty now I imagine! God bless MY COMMANDER IN CHIEF, AND THE SEAL TEAM, that risked their lives to kill a truly evil individual.
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There’s abortionists in this country who have also killed in the thousands…they seem to be unnoticedReally? how many 10000nds of folks murdured by this man? Clarity is lacking?
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honestly we don’t know whether or not a firefight happened because we weren’t there…you can either believe them (the only side of the story) or remain skeptical…remember when the Govt. covered up how Sgt. Tillman was killed?
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The War in Iraq wasn’t just…remember we went in saying their was weapons of mass destruction…GurneyHalleck1 was referring to the war in Afghanistan. God Bless!I Agree. Even though I would have to say the only just war is the one that never happens. This was a good kill though. And I honestly can say, I enjoyed watchin Saddam, Hang. Justice.
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All I can say to this is…common good? Explain to me what is happening right now to the Iraqi Christians? Before the Iraq War their was control and order…now it’s chaos.
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Shoshana
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Big_Ro
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You’re right.
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Arandur
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Control and order? You mean institutionalized repression, rape, and murder?
Yes, it was mishandled, and Christians have suffered. But do you really think this so-called “Arab Spring” would have begun so soon without Saddam and the Taliban having been toppled?
I think matters in Israel would be worse, as well, otherwise.
There are some people, and some rulers, who only respect strength. These two countries made mockeries repeatedly of international laws and authority. The UN is already dangerously irrelevant. I think it’s a big issue that on matters of security, the international community must be obeyed. If not, we only invite more wars. When all other efforts have failed, force may be required.
Interestingly, the history of Rome provides some insight here. Thomas F. Madden, SLU professor and one of the leading experts on the Crusades, has a fascinating book called Empires of Trust that goes into the lessons of history. Rome would try many diplomatic solutions prior to force. In dealing with religious terrorism (from Jews), it ultimately had to resort to destroying rallying points (the Temple), dispersing them, using force when necessary. It did eventually quell the violence, but it took persistence and a century or so. I suspect we’ll have to keep killing terrorist leaders, depriving them of havens and funding sources like Afghanistan and so forth, and attempting to support economic and political liberty in their countries for a very long time before we calm Islamic terrorism significantly.
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Nothing has been resolved in Iraq? Really?! Ok, how bout this. No more people being put thru plastic chippers feet first for the amusement of Saddams troops. No more Iraqi weddings being broken up by Saddams oldest son, so he can rape the bride and if hes feeling particularly uncharitable, killing the groom. No more Children being tortured for Saddams Kicks. No more towns being gassed. An evil demon in the flesh, and his two sons Dead thank God. Now lets look at what we have done. Problems? Yes! But…Schools being reopened. More places in the country getting clean running water. More places getting at least SOME essential services. Men and women from the state dept. working tirelessy, to teach the Iraqis farming techniques, Building local councils, Womens rights issues being addressed. I can list many more. I am NOT sorry Im in Iraq. I dont want to go home! I love these people. A few bad apples? Yep. but the alternative that they used to live under was much worse.
Maybe you should volunteer to come here, and work before you pass judgement. And if you already have done so. Im sorry for your negative experience.
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Yes the Iraqi Christians are being persecuted. and have been for years before we became involved in Iraq. Chaos? Have you been here? The only time there is anything compared to chaos is during some of their holidays, that are shall we say…A little emotional. And yes, they do take this opportunity to bomb eachother during this time. Just the way it is over here. Order at the expense of what? Being murdered by your dictator and his lackies? Saddam was just as guilty of sectarian violence and worse.
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Hey bro. did we ever land on the moon?
I knew the conpiracy theorist would be at work soon after. They hit a military compound my friend. Trust me, If you hit a military element of any size, unless you take them completely by surprise. you ARE gonna have resistance via a firefight. Just the way it is. 
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One has nothing to do with the other. Sorry, nice try.
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No more Saddam to be a buffer against a greater foe–Iran! Saddam hated “the persians” more than anybody and he kept them in check as a Sunni himself. He was a check in the region and now it seems that there is nothing but unchecked Shi’ite power in the entire region…Evil, horrible man but I’m not sure we’ll ever change the mindset of that country and taking away the only chess piece against Iran, I’m not sure we did the right thing…of course I support the troops 100% but the mission, IMO, was founded on a false premise and bad, moving goal posts…
Nothing has been resolved in Iraq? Really?! Ok, how bout this. No more people being put thru plastic chippers feet first for the amusement of Saddams troops. No more Iraqi weddings being broken up by Saddams oldest son, so he can rape the bride and if hes feeling particularly uncharitable, killing the groom. No more Children being tortured for Saddams Kicks. No more towns being gassed. An evil demon in the flesh, and his two sons Dead thank God. Now lets look at what we have done. Problems? Yes! But…Schools being reopened. More places in the country getting clean running water. More places getting at least SOME essential services. Men and women from the state dept. working tirelessy, to teach the Iraqis farming techniques, Building local councils, Womens rights issues being addressed. I can list many more. I am NOT sorry Im in Iraq. I dont want to go home! I love these people. A few bad apples? Yep. but the alternative that they used to live under was much worse.
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No problem my brother. I would love it if we invaded Iran. It would tickle me pink. we are already here, lets topple another brutal regime! Hey, Id be in on that one. Two sounds I absolutely love. A Harley Davidson, and the sound of a .50 cal or 240 B. from my turret. I never get what I want though. Im more than likely just gonna go back to Hawaii.
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Actually, despite the difficulties of working with a nearly-unworkable religion (Islam), we seem do be doing pretty well with Iraq, now. Yes, there were major missteps. The country could have been a lot more stable and thus a lot stronger, keeping Iran in check, if we hadn’t entirely dismantled the government but had worked with it.
Iran has been largely mishandled, as well, but the political will unfortunately has not been there to deal with it. The initial strategy re: Iran is BRILLIANT: take out the threat in Iraq, replace with a friendly regime and military bases; take out Afghanistan on the other side and do the same: squeeze Iran, be prepared to invade from both sides and topple its regime in no time flat.
Like the early Roman Republic, the U.S. has a long history of doing something perhaps no other major power in the history of the world has done: show restraint, but defeat enemies when provoked, then turn them into allies and build them up. Time and time again. We fail only when we DON’T do that. And just like the early Roman Republic, this approach has created a far, far safer world with far less war. Yes there is abuse and mismanagement from time to time, but we are remarkable for how comparatively infrequently that happens, and how much we criticize ourselves for it when it does. Fact is, the responsible use of power (yes, for the U.S. more than any other power in the history of the world, it has been responsible), particularly when it comes to force, does resolve problems, and can and has made a better world.
As WWII is the shining example (through terrible destruction came tremendous good, due primarily to the U.S.), American intervention can bring about great good in the end.
The unusual problem we face is that Islam throws a kink into this all, makes it harder. But I refuse to believe that we cannot work with Muslims. The alternative would be bin Laden’s world, where it’s us or them, and one has to kill or subjugate all the rest of the other.
Iran has been largely mishandled, as well, but the political will unfortunately has not been there to deal with it. The initial strategy re: Iran is BRILLIANT: take out the threat in Iraq, replace with a friendly regime and military bases; take out Afghanistan on the other side and do the same: squeeze Iran, be prepared to invade from both sides and topple its regime in no time flat.
Like the early Roman Republic, the U.S. has a long history of doing something perhaps no other major power in the history of the world has done: show restraint, but defeat enemies when provoked, then turn them into allies and build them up. Time and time again. We fail only when we DON’T do that. And just like the early Roman Republic, this approach has created a far, far safer world with far less war. Yes there is abuse and mismanagement from time to time, but we are remarkable for how comparatively infrequently that happens, and how much we criticize ourselves for it when it does. Fact is, the responsible use of power (yes, for the U.S. more than any other power in the history of the world, it has been responsible), particularly when it comes to force, does resolve problems, and can and has made a better world.
As WWII is the shining example (through terrible destruction came tremendous good, due primarily to the U.S.), American intervention can bring about great good in the end.
The unusual problem we face is that Islam throws a kink into this all, makes it harder. But I refuse to believe that we cannot work with Muslims. The alternative would be bin Laden’s world, where it’s us or them, and one has to kill or subjugate all the rest of the other.
Unfortunately, the time may come when that is necessary, my friend. I think we missed an opportunity to roll through on our liberation tour, but then again, the political will for the other wars was already stretched so thinly as to tie our hands. It certainly would have saved a lot of trouble. Iran was probably a better candidate for reform than Iraq. Then again, since we are stupidly unwilling to use the oil of those countries to pay for the war and rebuilding, we also would have been challenged to do what we needed to do afterwards: build Iran back up.No problem my brother. I would love it if we invaded Iran. It would tickle me pink. we are already here, lets topple another brutal regime! Hey, Id be in on that one. Two sounds I absolutely love. A Harley Davidson, and the sound of a .50 cal or 240 B. from my turret. I never get what I want though. Im more than likely just gonna go back to Hawaii.
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I think we should’ve bombed the nuclearn facilities in Iran where they’ve been enriching uranium for sure. Iraq was a mistake IMO. But I’m proud of the job our brave men and women are doing there making the best of a bad situation. The logic of Iraq was poor.
No problem my brother. I would love it if we invaded Iran. It would tickle me pink. we are already here, lets topple another brutal regime! Hey, Id be in on that one. Two sounds I absolutely love. A Harley Davidson, and the sound of a .50 cal or 240 B. from my turret. I never get what I want though. Im more than likely just gonna go back to Hawaii.
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benidict
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Very poor, and under false pretenses. You are correct. But we got some good side benifits like the death of a horrible dictator, and his two evil sons.
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Nothing has been resolved in Iraq? Really?! Ok, how bout this. No more people being put thru plastic chippers feet first for the amusement of Saddams troops. No more Iraqi weddings being broken up by Saddams oldest son, so he can rape the bride and if hes feeling particularly uncharitable, killing the groom. No more Children being tortured for Saddams Kicks. No more towns being gassed. An evil demon in the flesh, and his two sons Dead thank God. Now lets look at what we have done. Problems? Yes! But…Schools being reopened. More places in the country getting clean running water. More places getting at least SOME essential services. Men and women from the state dept. working tirelessy, to teach the Iraqis farming techniques, Building local councils, Womens rights issues being addressed. I can list many more. I am NOT sorry Im in Iraq. I dont want to go home! I love these people. A few bad apples? Yep. but the alternative that they used to live under was much worse.
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Q: Since 2004 the Christians in Iraq have suffered a savage persecution including threats, kidnapping and death. What is the situation today in Iraq?
Archbishop Casmoussa: It is very bad today. We were hoping that two years ago things would improve because the situation in Baghdad and other cities have improved. In Mosul – this is the biggest city in the north of Iraq and is considered the country of Christians – the situation is very bad, with many kidnappings and killings. We have a feeling that we are not wanted in this city, though this has been our home and here you will find many churches and monasteries. There is so much history for us Christians here in Mosul and the surrounding areas of Mosul.
Q: There was a letter circulated on a daily news Web site by an extremist group, Ansar Al Islam: “The secretary general of the member’s Islamic brigade has decided to give the Christian Crusader infidels of Baghdad and the other provinces a last warning to leave Iraq immediately and permanently and join Benedict XVI and his followers who have trampled on the greatest symbols of humanity and Islam … There will be no place for the Christian infidels from now on … those who remain will have their throats slit as it is happening to the Christians in Mosul." Is this what Christians have to live with every day or is this an exception?
Archbishop Casmoussa: It is not an exception and it is not the first time that we’ve received messages like these. I have that message in Arabic. It is difficult to read those messages. Many people are not aware of these messages. But harder than these messages are the attacks against the lives of the people here. If we were strangers here in Iraq, then we would leave. But it is our historical land and historical country. We have nowhere else to go. This message is dangerous for the central and for the regional governments and for all the Iraqi people. We know that these extremists have no power but just use terror to intimidate, but there are many small groups like this that are a menace today – and today Christians, tomorrow Muslims.
Q: So the perpetrators of violence have not been judged for their crimes?
Archbishop Casmoussa: Yes. Because of fear – and this is a fact in Iraq.
Second, if you speak about military protection, in my opinion, it is not what we need. There is no peace after a war, destruction and death
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