Is Assisted suicide wrong in every case?

[JDaniel]

What is it, then? The one who is in power “promises” that the subordinate one can perform an act, or refrain from performing an act without fear of repercussions.

“Rights” are based upon enforcement. If a “right” cannot be enforced, it is not much of a “right”, is it? And only the powerful one can enforce a right, a weak one cannot. So there is not need for reciprocity. If a weak one tells the strong one: "I will allow you to do ", the strong one can answer: “I don’t care what you allow. Even you do not allow, I will do it, and see if you can stop me”.

Spock:

This is so wrong. All one has to do to show that it is wrong is to ask which came first, the ‘right’ or the ‘enforcement’? Enforcement presupposes that a right exists in the first place, whereupon it may or may not be enforced. Certainly the woman’s ‘right’ to the prevention of genital mutilation exists, but, not in some locales. The potential husbands’ rights to keep her from potential wandering trumps her rights. Yet we know that she has this right, despite that it is trumped. And, her right is immediately re-recognized the moment she escapes across the border into another locale.

Precisely. This is the reason why it is unacceptable to take over the decision process, and override someone’s wish to die. It is unacceptable to say “I know what is good for you. You will have to endure more pain and more suffering. So shut up, and offer up your suffering to the greater glory of God. Every time you puke or soil yourself, God rejoices at seeing your brave act of enduring your predicament.” This type of attitude is exactly what “playing God” means. You know, the sword cuts both ways.

Of course, we shall never agree on this. You say that we are not the proprietors of our bodies, we are merely caretakers, who have responsibilities but no “rights”. God does not give us the “right” to end this existence. Apparently, God’s slogan is: “The beatings will continue until the morale improves”.

Should we not make every effort to stop a young girl who wants to self-mutilate? Up to and including placing her under lock and key and providing her with all sorts of psychological specialists? But, even this kind of occurrence does not annihilate that she is the ‘care-taker’ of her own body, does it? You can’t have it both ways! If our children wish to drive a break-neck speeds, shall we just let them?

God bless,
jd

 

[JDaniel]

Um, remember I said I agreed with the church. What would happen if I said I disagreed! Jeez.

Simple strangulation.

God bless,
jd

 

[JDaniel]

Less than half of euthanasia cases in the Netherlands are by request of the patient or with their consent. Seniors are afraid to go to the hospital because they have lost trust in the health care system; they think they’re going to be put down because they’re old. Doctors also perform infanticides on imperfect babies without consulting with the parents.

It is an abomination and a total violation of the (not specifically Christian) Hippocratic oath.

For the system to work, we must have absolute trust in those professionals with that level of power and skill.

Human life has dignity regardless of how young or old, healthy or sick, able bodied or disabled.

Depression is not a terminal disease; it is treatable.

Don’t make silly assumptions about end of life palliative care and the dying process unless you are an experienced hospice nurse. They can do so much to make patients comfortable.

Don’t get a living will, get a state specific Protective Medical Decisions Document/Health Care Power of Attorney. Living wills cede decisions to doctors and boards who don’t know you and they can decide badly. The HCPOA restricts their unilateral exercise of power and gives the decision to your designated person. I have one and need it!

In OR, an ER refused cardiac intervention to a retarded woman because they decided her quality of life was below par–because she was retarded! They let her die untreated! That is an abomination.

The Truth, well spoken!

God bless,
jd

 

[Spock]

This is so wrong. All one has to do to show that it is wrong is to ask which came first, the ‘right’ or the ‘enforcement’?

They go hand-in-hand. The old chicken-and-egg problem.

If our children wish to drive a break-neck speeds, shall we just let them?

Sure. Let the dumb ones remove themselves from the gene-pool as fast as they can. And I am only half-joking.

 

[PAboy57]

They go hand-in-hand. The old chicken-and-egg problem.

Sure. Let the dumb ones remove themselves from the gene-pool as fast as they can. And I am only half-joking.

I chose to eliminate what I could control. I no longer assisted my crazy kid in driving. He didn’t play by the rules so no car. I did not want myself to be a part of that scenario. Although I wouldn’t be honest if I didn’t say the thought crossed my mind – I removed it quickly. I had no foundation in those days, total faith in God.

It’s like working the system you are stuck with. None of us agree with everything but most play by the rules and options available. We all have different beliefs so we manage them on the playing field we are provided.

 

[Spock]

I chose to eliminate what I could control.

Very wise. It reminds me of the office prayer

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I cannot accept,
and the Wisdom to hide the bodies of those people
I had to kill today because they pissed me off,
and also help me to be careful of the toes I step on today
as they may be connected to the butt
that I might have to kiss tomorrow.

It’s like working the system you are stuck with. None of us agree with everything but most play by the rules and options available. We all have different beliefs so we manage them on the playing field we are provided.

Agreed. And while doing that let’s all respect each other’s wishes. Let’s support each other, even if we disagree. And, yes, I mean it all the way to support everyone’s right to walk out of this life, if that is their desire. We are not in their shoes, so we have no right to make decisions for them.

 

[StTommyMore]

And, yes, I mean it all the way to support everyone’s right to walk out of this life, if that is their desire. We are not in their shoes, so we have no right to make decisions for them.

No one has this right. Ever.

 

[PAboy57]

Very wise. It reminds me of the office prayer

Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I cannot accept,
and the Wisdom to hide the bodies of those people
I had to kill today because they pissed me off,
and also help me to be careful of the toes I step on today
as they may be connected to the butt
that I might have to kiss tomorrow.

Agreed. And while doing that let’s all respect each other’s wishes. Let’s support each other, even if we disagree. And, yes, I mean it all the way to support everyone’s right to walk out of this life, if that is their desire. We are not in their shoes, so we have no right to make decisions for them.

I love the office prayer. Never heard it before.

I’m all for charity toward our fellow man. The A S scares me because it is against my faith and I can’t go. It’s non-negotiable within the Church period.

I also don’t trust clerks to administer life and death. And, I wouldn’t want you to go too soon by mistake – they are going to assist Mr. Smith but go to Mr. Spocks room by mistake. Hey they cut off the wrong limb, leave things inside us during surgery or junior wants your money, your care is very expensive and I could go on.

If you think healthcare is expensive now, add in the levels needed to support A S. This is yet another reason so many won’t agree.

I’m thinking the %%% is low that something tragic happens leaving you in an A S position without having the chance to take care of this at home, on your own, if you so wish. Then no one can stop you. I know you won’t like this option and I understand already.

 

[Spock]

I love the office prayer. Never heard it before.

Here is another funny one:

When I go, I want to go like my grandfather, quietly, in his sleep. Not like the three passengers in his car, screaming their heads off.

I also don’t trust clerks to administer life and death. And, I wouldn’t want you to go too soon by mistake – they are going to assist Mr. Smith but go to Mr. Spocks room by mistake. Hey they cut off the wrong limb, leave things inside us during surgery or junior wants your money, your care is very expensive and I could go on.

Now you are cooking. It is certainly a scary prospect, which needs to be addressed. It is true that we cannot create 100% surefire, absolutely certain circumstances where no mistakes can ever happen. But we cannot do that in any area of this existence. We must always compromise. And the solution is not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The guidelines must be established, and they must be enforced. Even if we cannot eliminate all the possible mistakes or malicious acts, we can certainly minimize them.

If you think healthcare is expensive now, add in the levels needed to support A S. This is yet another reason so many won’t agree.

That is a practical reason. Let’s forget about the health care system now. I am not in favor of it. But that conversation would lead us miles away from this topic.