Is atheism a sin?

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CCC 2125 Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion.
Please don’t try to kill others. The expression of “virtue of religion” almost caused me to choke when my coffee came back through my nose.
Psalms 14:1 (Psalms 13:1 in traditional Catholic translations)

The fool says in his heart there is no God. Their deeds are loathsome and corrupt; not one does what is good.
Is this post a representative of how to be “charitable”? The deeds of atheists are “loathsome and corrupt”? Not one atheist does “what is good”?

By the way: “Atheists do NOT reject God. They do not BELIEVE that god, or gods exist”.
 
That is my question. Is atheism a sin and if so why?
Atheism was once used for those who had never known of God. The word is now predominately used for those who reject the belief in God. The most grievous sin was that of the angels and Adam and Eve,who knew of God and betrayed God in some way.

To presently call oneself an atheist, one must be aware of what theism is. So in some way they do know who God is and reject Him, so they are not without guilt. But if God were to reveal Himself to them and they were to reject Him the sin would be greater. And if God were to befriend a person, through faith, and a person were to betray that friendship, then we could say the sin would be grievous.
 
The first commandment doesn’t say that you cannot believe in other gods. It says that you have to reject them.

I would guess that there is no-one on this forum who actually rejects other gods. For the simple reason, as has been pointed out, that you need to believe in something before you can reject it. Unless you want to admit that you actively reject Odin and Zeus etc.

So atheists, by the same logic, do not reject God. Ipso facto, not a sin.
 
Is this post a representative of how to be “charitable”? The deeds of atheists are “loathsome and corrupt”? Not one atheist does “what is good”?

By the way: “Atheists do NOT reject God. They do not BELIEVE that god, or gods exist”.
I only quoted scripture. None of those words are mine!
 
Is this post a representative of how to be “charitable”? The deeds of atheists are “loathsome and corrupt”? Not one atheist does “what is good”?
Also, I’d also like to add that if I sincerely believe that your soul is imminent danger of eternal damnation and I chose to not share with you what Sacred Scripture has to say for the sake of being ‘nice,’ wouldn’t that be uncharitable? Of course it is important to not drive someone away from the faith, but at the same time, you desrve the straight truth, right?
 
I was of the understanding that one could not be guilty of a sin that they did not know was a sin. An atheist does not believe that they are sinning of course by not believing in God so therefore it is hard for me to imagine how it could be sinful as long as they just truly do not know that God exists.
 
While I am almost sure you are right, I am confused. Atheists don’t believe in any Gods? :confused:
After I posted the 1st commandment…I knew it would be questioned since atheists don’t believe in false gods.

I should have quoted Jesus when asked which was the greatest commandment, He said Matt.22:37 …“Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, your whole soul and your whole mind.”
Atheists are disobeying this command.
 
Please don’t try to kill others. The expression of “virtue of religion” almost caused me to choke when my coffee came back through my nose.

Is this post a representative of how to be “charitable”? The deeds of atheists are “loathsome and corrupt”? Not one atheist does “what is good”?

By the way: “Atheists do NOT reject God. They do not BELIEVE that god, or gods exist”.
I will pray for you.
 
I only quoted scripture. None of those words are mine!
I know that. But you still quoted them and they are seriously insulting. Not that I care, since I don’t. But there is a rule that posts must be charitable.
Also, I’d also like to add that if I sincerely believe that your soul is imminent danger of eternal damnation and I chose to not share with you what Sacred Scripture has to say for the sake of being ‘nice,’ wouldn’t that be uncharitable? Of course it is important to not drive someone away from the faith, but at the same time, you desrve the straight truth, right?
You see, I used to be a believer, so I am aware of every argument you might make. And I would heed your warnings, if only there would be evidence that what you say is “true”. But there is no evidence at all.
I was of the understanding that one could not be guilty of a sin that they did not know was a sin. An atheist does not believe that they are sinning of course by not believing in God so therefore it is hard for me to imagine how it could be sinful as long as they just truly do not know that God exists.
This post deserves a triple cheer! To commit a “mortal sin” (the venial ones are irrelevant) there must be three criteria to be fulfilled:
  1. The act must be a grave act. (Q: who decides it?)
  2. The one who commits it must have full knowledge that it is a grave act. (Q: what is full knowledge?)
  3. The act must be done with a deliberate will.
Since atheists do not believe that God exists, the concept of sin is inapplicable to their actions.
I will pray for you.
That is very kind of you.
 
I was of the understanding that one could not be guilty of a sin that they did not know was a sin. An atheist does not believe that they are sinning of course by not believing in God so therefore it is hard for me to imagine how it could be sinful as long as they just truly do not know that God exists.
Sin is objective, only the culpability may be mitigated. It remains sinful.
 
I know that. But you still quoted them and they are seriously insulting. Not that I care, since I don’t. But there is a rule that posts must be charitable.
I think you would be hard pressed to convince Catholic Answers that quoting scripture is uncharitable. I simply pointed out what scripture says on the topic. Should we pretend that scripture doesn’t say this? Would that be more “charitable”? It would be dishonest. Also, the other arguement I made was better made by an atheist:

youtu.be/6md638smQd8
 
I think you would be hard pressed to convince Catholic Answers that quoting scripture is uncharitable.
You mean that ridiculously incorrect and malicious description of atheists is the “charitable” way of conducting a conversation? By the way, the “scriptures” are human collection of human writs, so there is nothing surprising that it contains incorrect and malicious parts.
 
I don’t think it is.

Atheists are people who sincerely looked for evidence of a Higher Power and found none in the world (and no, God’s existence isn’t self-evident). Being the victim of deception is not a sin.
 
I don’t think it is.

Atheists are people who sincerely looked for evidence of a Higher Power and found none in the world (and no, God’s existence isn’t self-evident). Being the victim of deception is not a sin.
A lot of atheists don’t want to follow God’s Commandments and are hoping there is no God & no consequences.
 
Not exactly…

Atheism itself is not a sin.

Depends on the atheist. If they have every reason to but continually reject the idea because they do not like the idea of God for whatever reason, then that is breaking the first commandment with intentional ignorance (which makes the sins more grave). If the atheist simply does not believe there is a God, then they do not knowingly go against His will, thus it is not really a sin, (according to my knowledge of the CCC and whatnot).
 
The Ten Commandments were not given to all mankind, but to the Jews, who were called by God to enter into a special relationship. The Jews accepted this relationship as a people, along with the associated commandments. It was a sin, that is an offence against God, for a Jew to break with these commandments, to deny God.

Considering Biblical Jewish history, there are two main views shown of how a sin is committed in this regard. The first is the individual offending God, which when applied to present day atheists, would mean the person would first need to have been in a relationship with God in order to offend by word, belief, action or inaction.

The second observation made, when considering Jewish history, is that far greater offence is caused to God when the Jews as a people, that is as an overall whole, left God or God’s ways.

When this is applied to our current situation, we can ask, have we, as a people formerly know as Christendom, once in covenant with God as a people, left God, either in word, belief or in our actions. Can it be said by Christ, “My people have left my ways.” In this regard the increase of atheism, secularism, agnosticism and Christians not abiding by their faith in either word or deed, may be seen as leading to dire consequences when considered Biblically.

Peace
 
That is my question. Is atheism a sin and if so why?
Some quotes describing the view from the religious side:

#4 “If you know there is a God and you refuse to believe in Him, love Him and serve Him, that is a very serious sin. All people will judged on whether they sought to know God and His truth or not.”

#7 ""Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. Matthew 10:32-33. (Taken from BibleHub).

Also, some of Jesus’s last words before ascending to heaven, “He who believes and is baptised will be saved. He who does not believe will be condemned”. Mark 16:16.
(taken from Scriptural Rosary)."

#9 "Of course… It breaks the 1st Commandment…“I Am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no strange gods before Me!”

#12" CCC 2125 Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion. "

#13 “Psalms 14:1 (Psalms 13:1 in traditional Catholic translations) The fool says in his heart there is no God. Their deeds are loathsome and corrupt; not one does what is good.”

#16 “To presently call oneself an atheist, one must be aware of what theism is. So in some way they do know who God is and reject Him, so they are not without guilt.”

#21 “Matt.22:37 …“Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, your whole soul and your whole mind.” Atheists are disobeying this command.”

To address this from the atheist side:

First off atheism is a label by the theists put on to people that are not convinced of the theist claims made. For example, you tell your friend you saw bob yesterday. Your friend does not believe your claim. You now label your friend as an a-bobist. Your friend did not call themselves an a-bobist because they don’t play with bob and don’t have bob in their life or world. Bob only exists in your world, not theirs. Does your friend need a label for every idea they don’t believe in? No, we only label ourselves for what we believe in and other people label us based on their beliefs. So the label Atheist is what theists use to describe people who don’t play with the supernatural idea.

Atheism and theism are labels of beliefs or what someone is convinced of or not convinced of.
Agnosticism and Gnosticism are labels of knowledge. What someone claims to know about reality.

Gnostic Theist = Someone who believes/is convinced (positive claim that is challengable) of the arguments for the existence of the supernatural and claims to have direct knowledge (positive claim that is challengable) of the supernatural’s existence.

Agnostic Theist = Someone who believes/is convinced (positive claim that is challengable) of the arguments for the existence of the supernatural and claims to not have direct knowledge (not a positive claim that is challengable) of the supernatural’s existence.

Gnostic Atheist = Someone who does not believe/convinced (not a positive claim that is challengable) of the arguments for the existence of the supernatural and claims to have direct knowledge (positive claim that is challengable) that the supernatural does not exist.

Agnostic Atheist = Someone who does not believe/convinced (not a positive claim that is challengable) of the arguments for the existence of the supernatural and claims to not have direct knowledge (not a positive claim that is challengable) of the supernatural’s existence.

Atheists are not making claims about the supernatural at all, only responding to the bad reasons why theists believe in the supernatural. For example: I tell you that I believe that C exists because of the conclusion A + B = C. You don’t believe me. Does that mean that C does not exist or does exist in reality? No, it means that you don’t see that it follows that A + B = C. C could still actually exist or not exist, just that you don’t agree with the argument presented. Did you make a claim about reality because you don’t believe my argument works for concluding that C exists? No, you just find flaws in the argument for justification of that conclusion. That’s all atheists are doing. They are not making a claim about C, only about the flaws in the argument leading to justified conclusions about C’s existence.

Belief is not a choice. Belief is the logical conclusion that people come to as a result of applying their honest understanding of the facts and how reality works. Example: Present someone with the idea of C and then logically argue that facts A + B = C. The C result after the argument and facts are presented is the result, the belief that people come to as an understand of how A+B works. They don’t have a choice to conclude that it is D, E, or Apple. Chairs exist + People can sit = You are sitting in a chair. Now choose to believe you are not sitting in a chair. You can’t. You can lie to people and tell them otherwise, but you can’t lie to yourself.
 
That is my question. Is atheism a sin and if so why?
To the statements before:
#4, #7, #9, #12, #16, #21: Atheists do not believe that the supernatural exists so they do not know god or any spirits or supernatural entities of any kind. To choose to follow someone is a separate issue from first knowing that entity exists at all. Lets say you convince an atheist to be a deist now, to believe that the supernatural god entity exists. Now you have to convince them that this deity is worth listening to. If you are not convinced that someone is a moral agent to have a relationship with, then you will not engage in dialog with them for how to live a good life, regardless of their power and how much they threaten you. People should never accept being spoken to in the tone the bible makes this entity out to be.

#13: Atheists are not making knowledge claims, only responding to the arguments that the theists are presenting for their case as to why the theist believes the supernatural exists. If someone presents you the argument of A + B = Apple, are you morally responsible for not believing that the Apple exists or not exists if the only evidence for Apple is that bad logical presentation?

As it if it is a sin, this is implying that the atheist acknowledges there is something to sin against. To an atheist this is the same as say to a catholic, is catholicism a sin to Zeus or a woodland sprite king. Would that keep you up at night with worry? I doubt it. What does this entity consider a sin? If I don’t care that what I am doing is a sin to that deity, then it’s that deity’s problem, not mine. Do you care that your are hurting the feelings of big foot for not putting aside one day a week in it’s name? That you are putting the snow man on equal to or more in importance to the big foot? If you are not convinced that these sins are actually issues to worry about, then it’s not your problem other than pissing off big foot and it’ll banish you to a pit. But that’s just a bully to your eyes because you are still not convinced that issue was an immoral issue. Basically it’s a case of “I’m offended.” Well tough, so what. Prove to me that it’s a moral issue to take up and change but don’t threaten me with punishment as an argument.
 
If you do not believe in God:
  1. You obviously wouldn’t think you are committing a Sin
If you do believe in God:
  1. Rejecting Him would be a Sin
If you don’t believe but want to know what we think:
  1. I don’t know why it matters, you would disagree with us either way
If you believe but are wondering about someone else:
  1. Not believing is not a sin in and of itself
  2. If he/she rejects any possibility, then yes (of some type of fault of their own)
Not believing is not your fault necessarily, if it is a lack of knowledge and you sincerely are trying to know. Rejecting the possibility is a fault of your own.
 
Not believing is not your fault necessarily, if it is a lack of knowledge and you sincerely are trying to know. Rejecting the possibility is a fault of your own.
Be open to the possibility once there is anything that points to that being a possibility. By your reasoning, you would be open minded to any idea, regardless of what reality shows you. I wait to see what reality shows me as possible and then go from there. I can imagine the story of Star Wars and Harry Potter, and enjoy the creation of those realms, but I am not open to that being at all possible until I have more information about this reality that even hints that could be an option to consider. Be open minded of course, but not to the point where your brain falls out.
 
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