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eaglesmark
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Isn’t baptism an essential part of Salvation?
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Stylteralmaldo
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NotWorthy
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Under ordinary means, yes, Baptism is essential for it makes us Children of God.
Of course, under extra-ordinary means, All things are possible with God!
Of course, under extra-ordinary means, All things are possible with God!
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Jerry-Jet
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Baptism saves.
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Cari
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Wouldn’t “Baptism of Desire” cover extra-ordinary means? Or are you referring to infants/pre-born babies who die before receiving baptism?
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NotWorthy
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I’m referring to anyone that God chooses by whatever means.
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promethius95945
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One would be safe, in my opinion, to assume that infants who die before baptism ARE baptised by desire…
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eaglesmark
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What if a priest refuse to baptize an adult (convert) or a new born, it would show that our salvation is already dependent on the priest who refused to baptize and not God?
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Lance_O
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Ordinarly, yes Baptism is part of Salvation. Just of the top of my head, John 3:5 (born again by water and spirit), and 1 Peter 3:21 (baptism saves). These are two of many scripture readings for baptism.
Of course, our Lord is merciful and can save who he wants by any means. I believe that the thief on the cross next to Jesus would have gotten Baptised if he had the chance (desire). Who knows, maybe John the Bapitst did baptise him.
Of course, our Lord is merciful and can save who he wants by any means. I believe that the thief on the cross next to Jesus would have gotten Baptised if he had the chance (desire). Who knows, maybe John the Bapitst did baptise him.
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Pixie_Dust
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Why would a priest refuse to baptize someone?
Fortunately, anyone who desires to can validly baptize in the event of an emergency.
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NotWorthy
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Could it be due to a lack of that pesky stipulation for adults? “***Repent *and be Baptized, everyone of you for the forgiveness of your sins”.Why would a priest refuse to baptize someone?
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eaglesmark
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The priest is not a robot right? So, a priest has a choice, and a choice to baptise someone or not… I have known of instances when a priest refused to baptize someone.Why would a priest refuse to baptize someone?
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Stylteralmaldo
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Canon Law regarding Baptism:
intratext.com/IXT/ENG0017/_P2W.HTM
Can. 868 §1 For an infant to be baptised lawfully it is required:
1° that the parents, or at least one of them, or the person who lawfully holds their place, give their consent;
2° that there be a well-founded hope that the child will be brought up in the catholic religion. If such hope is truly lacking, the baptism is, in accordance with the provisions of particular law, to be deferred and the parents advised of the reason for this.
§2 An infant of catholic parents, indeed even of non-catholic parents, may in danger of death be baptised even if the parents are opposed to it.
intratext.com/IXT/ENG0017/_P2W.HTM
Can. 868 §1 For an infant to be baptised lawfully it is required:
1° that the parents, or at least one of them, or the person who lawfully holds their place, give their consent;
2° that there be a well-founded hope that the child will be brought up in the catholic religion. If such hope is truly lacking, the baptism is, in accordance with the provisions of particular law, to be deferred and the parents advised of the reason for this.
§2 An infant of catholic parents, indeed even of non-catholic parents, may in danger of death be baptised even if the parents are opposed to it.
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Tantum_ergo
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The act of baptism isn’t something we have a ‘right’ to no matter what, and it doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Just as we do not eat the bread of the Lord unworthily, just as we do penance when we confess our sins, just as we do not enter into matrimony with intent to deceive, if we ask for baptism we must comply with the responsibilities that go along with it and any other sacrament.
A person who just wants ‘baptism’ and has no intention of following any ‘other’ rules of Christianity, or of raising a child in the faith, cannot be baptized because to do so profanes the sacrament itself and the priest would be cooperating in this sin.
A person who just wants ‘baptism’ and has no intention of following any ‘other’ rules of Christianity, or of raising a child in the faith, cannot be baptized because to do so profanes the sacrament itself and the priest would be cooperating in this sin.
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eaglesmark
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Why was Jesus Christ baptized by John the Baptist? Has Jesus Christ sinned? - mat 3:13-17
Why didn’t John the Baptist baptize those sinners (Pharisees and Saducees) who went to be baptized of him? mat 3:7-8
Was there an infant baptized during that time? mat.3:6 (can an infant confess his sin?)
What is required before a person will be baptized? Does a child has the capability to believe this? acts 8:35-38
Why didn’t John the Baptist baptize those sinners (Pharisees and Saducees) who went to be baptized of him? mat 3:7-8
Was there an infant baptized during that time? mat.3:6 (can an infant confess his sin?)
What is required before a person will be baptized? Does a child has the capability to believe this? acts 8:35-38
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djrakowski
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Adding to the scriptural references for the necessity of baptism: Mark 16:16 (DRB) - “He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.”
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lanceg
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There are many other scriptures on the Salvific nature of Baptism:
Ezekiel 36:25-27
Acts 2:38;
Acts 22:16;
Romans 6:3-5
Galatians 3:27
Hebrews 10:22
That Baptism is a means of salvation and sanctification is straightforward in the Bible. I do not understand how people can miss, they must doubt their very eyes when they read scripture. The Catholic Faith is not only the true faith, but the most biblical.
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NotWorthy
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Jesus himself said it, “To fulfill all righteousness”.
To call all of Israel to repent and make way the path of the Lord. It did not forgive any of their sins, or open them up to the Holy Spirit.
What does that matter? John the Baptist’s baptism was symbolic. Christian Baptisms are regenerative.
Just as Jews were brought into the Covenant by their parents actions, infant circumcision, Christians are brought into the New Covenant by their parents actions, infant Baptism. Circumcision, as St. Paul stated, pre-figures Baptism.
Jesus says, “Let the children come to me, for to such as these belong the Kingdom of God”. Are you saying that Christ wants people to be child-like to enter the Kingdom of God, but Christ does not want children?
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NotWorthy
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So a child that is baptized, and later comes to believe cannot be saved?" Wow, where do you get this from?
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eaglesmark
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Does the verse say, he that believeth not and is not baptised shall be condemded?
What the verse say, is that who believeth not shall be condemned.
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