Is Bible Corrupted By Human, Did God Knew That It Going To Happened

[planten]

I admire your patience Wolf…

jakasaki, please rather admire the impatience of the B_Wolf.

 

[tomshaikh]

jakasaki, please rather admire the impatience of the B_Wolf.

Well planten I salute you to tolerate these people who blasp our beloved prophet. You hit almost 3000 post how will you bear these people. And one thing i am upset about ur faith. I donot want to say anything to you. Allah give guidance to everyone. Ameen. Well everyone will go in his grave. Nothing to tell you more planten.

 

[planten]

Well what happens to the children of israel when they demanded to see Allah/God. So moses say okay i will ask Allah/God to show himself. But what happened when he tried to show his appearance to children of israel which is called choosen people. They can’t bear it. Where as Moses one occation want to see him first alone. Moses fell unconscious on the ground. What kind of son of God or God jesus pbuh is that nothing happened to no body. Who was that Allah/God which showing hisself to choosen people and who was jesus man in flesh (forgodsake) was he. People come to the truth I am telling you all. How many common sense ethics i have to tell you you NON-BELIVERS. Hell is not the good place

**TOM it is a good argument you have put forward. When Moses wanted to see God with naked eye, God said that he could not see Him. But that rather Moses should look at the mount where the God will show Himself. When God showed Himself slightly on the mount, Moses fell down unconscious. Nobody can see God.

But Jesus seems to be a different kind of God, or the christians are all mistaken. they are displaying their God in open daylight to every one and want every one to believe that it was God walking about in the streets**.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Sorry Tom, but you make no sense at all.

You sound like you are repeating something someone told you, and saying it over and over. Are you trying to convince someone else or are you trying to convince yourself? You say things as if they were true but these things have no basis in reality. Where do you get these ideas? From Quran? Is that why what you say makes no sense?

Tom and Planten You two make a very good pair You two and the quran make no sense at all but you are on a Christian board so please keep up the good work, the more you post the more Christians know they are right…

 

[jakasaki]

Tom and Planten You two make a very good pair You two and the quran make no sense at all but you are on a Christian board so please keep up the good work, the more you post the more Christians know they are right…

Bill - this is one of the best posts I’ve read today - it gave me a good belly laught…

Thanks!

 

[tomshaikh]

**TOM it is a good argument you have put forward. When Moses wanted to see God with naked eye, God said that he could not see Him. But that rather Moses should look at the mount where the God will show Himself. When God showed Himself slightly on the mount, Moses fell down unconscious. Nobody can see God.

But Jesus seems to be a different kind of God, or the christians are all mistaken. they are displaying their God in open daylight to every one and want every one to believe that it was God walking about in the streets**.

lmao. Thank you so much for your opinion. Walla i am trying to do good deeds here nothing more. I am just wondering why just Allah punish them like he do to other nations. Why those punishment duration ends. Or i think this world is not in so many corruption which about to come for judgement day to happen. Take care planten.

 

[tomshaikh]

**TOM it is a good argument you have put forward. When Moses wanted to see God with naked eye, God said that he could not see Him. But that rather Moses should look at the mount where the God will show Himself. When God showed Himself slightly on the mount, Moses fell down unconscious. Nobody can see God.

But Jesus seems to be a different kind of God, or the christians are all mistaken. they are displaying their God in open daylight to every one and want every one to believe that it was God walking about in the streets**.

That mountain called Sinai in english and in arabic koha tour which i know you knew it. That whole mountain became black dust which most people put its ashes on their eyes for better view it called kajol. May Allah opne these chrisitian minds. Ameen

 

[jakasaki]

Well planten I salute you to tolerate these people who blasp our beloved prophet. You hit almost 3000 post how will you bear these people. And one thing i am upset about ur faith. I donot want to say anything to you. Allah give guidance to everyone. Ameen. Well everyone will go in his grave. Nothing to tell you more planten.

3000 post

:yawn:

And one thing i am upset about ur faith. I donot want to say anything to you

What’s the problem TomS - you have a problem with Ahmadi muslims?

You know, “love for all, hatred for none” type muslims -

You know their prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad which came after mohamad.

Anyway, if you guys are done patting yourselves on your backs and doing high 5’s, can we get back to the topic of the corrupted Bible or is the thread done and dead?

 

[tomshaikh]

:yawn:

What’s the problem TomS - you have a problem with Ahmadi muslims?

You know, “love for all, hatred for none” type muslims -

You know their prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmad which came after mohamad.

Anyway, if you guys are done patting yourselves on your backs and doing high 5’s, can we get back to the topic of the corrupted Bible or is the thread done and dead?

I am just wondering you understand my post. Thank you very much. That planten is Ahmadi muslim. Thank you for understanding my english. I am thankfull to you jakasaki

 

[sedonaman]

Tom and Planten You two make a very good pair …

Sorta like Frick and Frack. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frick_and_Frack .

 

[Bill_Pick]

** I would suggest to TOmShaikh not to preach to these christians. Only just tell these Catholics that their beleifs are all wrong and we Muslims do not entertain any good feelings about the beliefs and deeds of the present day christians.

I hope they will not be upset as per some of their forum rules. We Muislims think that the catholic theology is all wrong. When they do not want our point of view as per Islam, then the best we can do is to say that the christian beliefs are utterly wrong.**

planten, Do you know that Cathloic are Christian, or are you that ignort of the Cathloics,I can see you are that way about the Bible

p

 

[anjoh66]

Still Planten didnt answer me why Jesus should have gone to India after the crucifiction.

According to Ahmadiyya, Jesus went to india and lived there a full long life and finally he died there and his grave is supposed to be in Srinagar.

If that is the case he must have had lots of more followers there than in palestine, so where are all records about Jesus in india?

Why india? why didnt he go to china? or europe? or maybe russia, there is a lot of hiding places in russia, the jews would never have found him there.

This is the kind of mumbo jumbo that false prophets and false messiahs claim as truth.

It is just pathetic.

Mirza Ahmad declared that he himself was the messiah, another false claim, Jesus himself warned us:
There will arise many false prophets and false messiahs.

Open up your eyes planten, research your ahmadiyya faith with a critical eye and see the absurdities that this man mirza ahmad brought.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

B Wolf, You are different. The Jews do not believe that Jesus was God who died for the sins of the sinful Jews. Muslims also do not believe that jesus died for the sins of the sinful people. You have your theology. The Jews and the Muslims have their theology. Who is differing? It is the Catholics.

Actually I’m not Catholic, so that’s not really relevant to any conversation about me.

Also, of course the Jews and Muslims don’t believe Christ died for their sins - does that matter? As Fulton Sheen once said, truth is truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. An argumentum ad populum proves nothing.

You are yet not on any comfortable level with the Muslims due to your aggressive and wrong belief about Muhammad and Islam. While you want the whole world to believe in your many wrong notions, you are not ready to accept that God may send an angel to one of his servants (muhammad). There had been angels coming before and at the time of Jesus.

I believe in angels and angels speaking to people, what I don’t believe is an angel that contradicts some serious warnings from scripture:

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. [2 Corinthians 11:13-15; emphasis mine]

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [Galatians 1:6-8; emphasis mine]

The “angel” Mohammad spoke to not only assaulted him (which angels have NEVER been reported doing) but taught him a “gospel” that contradicted what Christ, His apostles, and over 600 years of Church Tradition taught.

So yes, I believe God sends down messages. What I don’t believe is that every message should be believed outright - everything should be according to the scriptures.

That is right. The Muslims have a complete code of life in the Quran which is unchanged. So it is bettr that the Muslims follow their book and you follow your book. Thanks.

Shaikh is on a mission to preach to the catholics because the Catholics are busy preaching to the whole world about christianity. So let him do that on the internet please.

You’ve presented two entirely different arguments. You just argued, “Muslims believe in the Koran, so you believe in your book and I’ll believe in mine. Oh! But let this young man tell you that your book is wrong and our book is right!”

B Wolf, you have come to your dead end with any beloving words. You are threatening now. Why? Some other friends have also threatened here on the forum. It means you have failed to support your faith.

Actually what I gave him was a second warning. He did something that every forum in the internet disallows, and I had already advised him to stop doing that, and he did it a second time. I gave him a second warning. Most people would consider that fair.

As for why I did it, I think everyone on this forum, some Muslims (besides you) included, will see I have hardly run out of arguments and support for my faith. On the contrary, Tom has completely failed to engage in any meaningful dialogue. Everyone can see this. He hasn’t respected Christian opinion and he simply argues in circles and ignores any educated response given to him.

Incidentally, I’m still waiting a response to my question about when Adam and Eve repented and were forgiven by God.

 

[jakasaki]

Actually I’m not Catholic, so that’s not really relevant to any conversation about me.

Also, of course the Jews and Muslims don’t believe Christ died for their sins - does that matter? As Fulton Sheen once said, truth is truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. An argumentum ad populum proves nothing.

I believe in angels and angels speaking to people, what I don’t believe is an angel that contradicts some serious warnings from scripture:

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. [2 Corinthians 11:13-15; emphasis mine]

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [Galatians 1:6-8; emphasis mine]

The “angel” Mohammad spoke to not only assaulted him (which angels have NEVER been reported doing) but taught him a “gospel” that contradicted what Christ, His apostles, and over 600 years of Church Tradition taught.

So yes, I believe God sends down messages. What I don’t believe is that every message should be believed outright - everything should be according to the scriptures.

You’ve presented two entirely different arguments. You just argued, “Muslims believe in the Koran, so you believe in your book and I’ll believe in mine. Oh! But let this young man tell you that your book is wrong and our book is right!”

Actually what I gave him was a second warning. He did something that every forum in the internet disallows, and I had already advised him to stop doing that, and he did it a second time. I gave him a second warning. Most people would consider that fair.

As for why I did it, I think everyone on this forum, some Muslims (besides you) included, will see I have hardly run out of arguments and support for my faith. On the contrary, Tom has completely failed to engage in any meaningful dialogue. Everyone can see this. He hasn’t respected Christian opinion and he simply argues in circles and ignores any educated response given to him.

Incidentally, I’m still waiting a response to my question about when Adam and Eve repented and were forgiven by God.

Well said, well spoken! Bravo!

 

[sedonaman]

Still Planten didnt answer me why Jesus should have gone to India after the crucifiction.
…

There are many, many questions from many, many posters he has not answered. When he reaches a point from which he cannot extract himself, he ignores his critics, hoping they will go away.

He had a long, interesting exchange forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=299511&page=55 with poster samaan who understands Arabic and is very knowledgeable about Islam. A few months later, planten disavowed any knowledge of that exchange.

But the biggie questions still on his table are,

1. why does Mohammed have to rely on a book that he claims is corrupt in order to justify himself as a prophet and Islam as the true religion?

and,

1. why does he [planten] keep quoting the same corrupt book to prove Islam is true?

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

He had a long, interesting exchange forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=299511&page=55 with poster samaan who understands Arabic and is very knowledgeable about Islam. A few months later, planten disavowed any knowledge of that exchange.

Ah yes, I remember that revelation. That was the same thread where he first tried his “You’re making long posts so I can’t respond” ruse on me.

 

[sedonaman]

Ah yes, I remember that revelation. That was the same thread where he first tried his “You’re making long posts so I can’t respond” ruse on me.

Yes, by saying there is a limit on the length of posts, as though he couldn’t take one or two points and rebut them.

 

[jakasaki]

Re: Is Bible Corrupted By Human, Did God Knew That It Going To Happened

To justify the ideology, legitimacy and existence of islam, the koran and their so called self made, self proclaimed prophet, the accusation has been from muslims the Bible is corrupted.

**@ OP - Bring the cards to the table with your accusations. **

• When was the Bible corrupted
• Who corrupted the Bible
• Where is your proof the Bible is corrupted

Bring your facts, proof and valid legitimate sources then we will begin addressing this thread with seriousness.