Is Big Bang theory contradictory?

[ChainBreaker]

Big bang theory implies a contradictory because space has a beginning with time. But there is absolutely nothing outside of space which means that it is expanding into absolutely nothing. But absolutely nothing does not exist, and as such space is coming into and expanding into non-existence. So how can space expand into it?

Why does this not imply that the universe is fundamentally irrational and unintelligible?

 

[Bahman]

Big bang theory implies a contradictory because space has a beginning with time. But there is absolutely nothing outside of space which means that it is expanding into absolutely nothing. But absolutely nothing does not exist, and as such space is coming into and expanding into non-existence. So how can space expand into it?

Why does this not imply that the universe is fundamentally irrational and unintelligible?

You are correct with your observation, hence universe might have a beginning but it is infinite in space.

 

[Aloysium]

. . . Why does this not imply that the universe is fundamentally irrational and unintelligible?

It implies that
some underlying concepts you have about reality,
aspects of that in which you have faith,
basically are wrong.

 

[John_Martin]

Big bang theory implies a contradictory because space has a beginning with time. But there is absolutely nothing outside of space which means that it is expanding into absolutely nothing. But absolutely nothing does not exist, and as such space is coming into and expanding into non-existence. So how can space expand into it?

Why does this not imply that the universe is fundamentally irrational and unintelligible?

How about this…
Space is a “thing” only if it has a location and substance, being.
But if space is “nothing” or “nothingness”, then it has no location, no boundary, no essential content. This means space equals non-existence.

If matter is created and expands where there is nothing existing, and created in clumps that are not touching each other, then in the midst of nothingness there is something scattered about (these could be the galaxies and stars and planets and dark matter and dark energy, etc.)

We measure things based upon comparison, with the size of our foot, with rulers, comparison with how fast light travels. So we gaze into nothingness and see another clump of created material, a star, and estimate it to be 50 light years away. But between us on earth and that star is nothing. We, in existence, dwell in the midst of non-existence. “Space” is only a quantity of distance, not a quantity of created substance, even though many created substances are to be found in this nothingness.

 

[phil19034]

Big bang theory implies a contradictory because space has a beginning with time. But there is absolutely nothing outside of space which means that it is expanding into absolutely nothing. But absolutely nothing does not exist, and as such space is coming into and expanding into non-existence. So how can space expand into it?

Why does this not imply that the universe is fundamentally irrational and unintelligible?

No, the Universe is not irrational and unintelligible. It’s designed by God. The more we learn about the “Big Bang,” Quantum Mechanics, & AstroPhysics (the Big Bang was first theorized by a scientist who was also a Catholic priest), the more we see God.

Draw an oval on a piece of paper… Everything inside the oval is the universe. Everything outside the oval is outside our space-time continuum. What’s outside, we don’t know… But it’s not inside our universe.

God designed the universe (and perhaps a multiverse) perfectly. It’s only our understanding which is imperfect.

God Bless, Happy Advent and a Merry Christmas to come.

 

[rossum]

Big bang theory implies a contradictory because space has a beginning with time.

Both space and time have the same origin since they are both part of the four dimensional manifold that originated at the Big Bang.

But there is absolutely nothing outside of space which means that it is expanding into absolutely nothing.

Is is expanding into a higher dimension manifold. Depending on which cosmological hypothesis you favour, I have seen numbers extending from an eleven dimensional manifold upwards. Unless you have a reasonably good grasp of Tensor algebra you will probably be out of your depth. Cosmology is very highly mathematical, and it is not really useful to discuss it on a philosophical level.

Why does this not imply that the universe is fundamentally irrational and unintelligible?

It merely shows that cosmology needs to be expressed in Tensors, Spinors and other higher mathematical constructs. Words are insufficient to correctly describe what is (probably) happening.

rossum

 

[Jon_S_1]

No, the Universe is not irrational and unintelligible. It’s designed by God. The more we learn about the “Big Bang,” Quantum Mechanics, & AstroPhysics (the Big Bang was first theorized by a scientist who was also a Catholic priest), the more we see God.

Draw an oval on a piece of paper… Everything inside the oval is the universe. Everything outside the oval is outside our space-time continuum. What’s outside, we don’t know… But it’s not inside our universe.

God designed the universe (and perhaps a multiverse) perfectly. It’s only our understanding which is imperfect.

God Bless, Happy Advent and a Merry Christmas to come.

A simple yet perfect response!

 

[phil_at_dayboro]

It is a proven fact that it’s impossible to have a nothing environment,
I suggest you visit University web site regarding this subject,
Plus there are numerous sites to help with research,

 

[Tomdstone]

Both space and time have the same origin since they are both part of the four dimensional manifold that originated at the Big Bang.

Is is expanding into a higher dimension manifold. Depending on which cosmological hypothesis you favour, I have seen numbers extending from an eleven dimensional manifold upwards. Unless you have a reasonably good grasp of Tensor algebra you will probably be out of your depth. Cosmology is very highly mathematical, and it is not really useful to discuss it on a philosophical level.

It merely shows that cosmology needs to be expressed in Tensors, Spinors and other higher mathematical constructs. Words are insufficient to correctly describe what is (probably) happening.

rossum

True. Another factor is the possibility of a multiverse and our universe being a seed which sprouted from it.

 

[boomerang]

There are some thing we aren’t expected to understand:

**

For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.

**

 

[Jon_S_1]

True. Another factor is the possibility of a multiverse and our universe being a seed which sprouted from it.

Even with a multiverse eventually some boundary would be reached. The multiverse while interesting just kicks the can down the cosmic curve.

For theists, the unknown is ok and attributed to God.

 

[Tomdstone]

Even with a multiverse eventually some boundary would be reached.

How would you prove that there is no boundary?

 

[Jon_S_1]

How would you prove that there is no boundary?

Good question…That seems an impossibility to me. Especially when multiple dimensions come into account.

 

[rossum]

For theists, the unknown is ok and attributed to God.

Which is yet another way of kicking the can down the road.

rossum

 

[Jon_S_1]

Which is yet another way of kicking the can down the road.

rossum

Actually it is not.

The idea of God is saying that there is something outside of nature and outside of our universe.

The multiverse theory tries to say that it is all physical and everything is physical and can be explained physically.

That is no theory at all because it just moves the goal line.

With theism, we say there is a goal line somewhere and in the goal is something we cannot understand called God. Something that is not physical and not constrained by the laws of nature.

 

[adawgj]

The Big Bang theory isn’t contradictory,

Season one is the beginning of the series and it is still on the air.

Why would a TV show contradict Catholic teaching?

If you don’t like the show nobody is forcing you to watch it.

Hence a priest formulated it.

 

[Tomdstone]

The Big Bang theory isn’t contradictory,

Season one is the beginning of the series and it is still on the air.

Why would a TV show contradict Catholic teaching?

If you don’t like the show nobody is forcing you to watch it.

Hence a priest formulated it.

You are confusing a TV show with a scientific hypothesis. The topic concerns whether or not the scientific hypothesis of a Big Bang is contradictory. Some say it is because they claim it implies that something comes from nothing. However, if you posit the existence of quantum fluctuations, or some other physical phenomena, then the BB would not have come from nothing, but it would have sprung from something else which is not observable to us at this time.

 

[adawgj]

You are confusing a TV show with a scientific hypothesis. The topic concerns whether or not the scientific hypothesis of a Big Bang is contradictory. Some say it is because they claim it implies that something comes from nothing. However, if you posit the existence of quantum fluctuations, or some other physical phenomena, then the BB would not have come from nothing, but it would have sprung from something else which is not observable to us at this time.

Sarcasm, and it’s a terrible show anyway.

 

[rossum]

Actually it is not.

The idea of God is saying that there is something outside of nature and outside of our universe.

The multiverse theory tries to say that it is all physical and everything is physical and can be explained physically.

That is no theory at all because it just moves the goal line.

With theism, we say there is a goal line somewhere and in the goal is something we cannot understand called God. Something that is not physical and not constrained by the laws of nature.

Which universe are you talking about? The multiverse is outside our universe as well. If we extend the definition of “universe” to include “all that exists”, then both the multiverse and God are included in the wider ATE universe.

God is a convenient way to deflect all the “how did God originate” questions. The multiverse is an equally convenient way to deflect the same questions.

rossum

 

[Tomdstone]

The multiverse is outside our universe as well.

Not quite. Assuming the multiverse hypothesis, our universe is in the multiverse and is touched by it. Still, most (but not all) of the multiverse would be outside our universe.