Is Big Bang theory contradictory?

[Jon_S_1]

Which universe are you talking about? The multiverse is outside our universe as well. If we extend the definition of “universe” to include “all that exists”, then both the multiverse and God are included in the wider ATE universe.

God is a convenient way to deflect all the “how did God originate” questions. The multiverse is an equally convenient way to deflect the same questions.

rossum

How so…eventually you have to reach a point where there is something that began in and of itself.

For example, “Where did the other universe come from?” Where did the “multiverse” come from?"

That is kicking the can because you cannot explain those.

For the theist, we say, whether multiverse or not, that God is the unmoved mover. He is being itself. He is from which all else originates.

There has to be something eternal that has always exist. That something cannot be made of matter…the matter that something came from would have to be explained.

 

[Tomdstone]

There has to be something eternal that has always exist. That something cannot be made of matter…

Some scientists claim that there is no contradiction in assuming that quantum fluctuations of some sort have always existed and that there is no boundary to the multiverse.

 

[Jon_S_1]

Some scientists claim that there is no contradiction in assuming that quantum fluctuations of some sort have always existed and that there is no boundary to the multiverse.

I am aware of such theories and find them requiring more faith than religion, or redefining God as “fluctuations” or some other form of quantum mechanics.

 

[rossum]

How so…eventually you have to reach a point where there is something that began in and of itself.

Yes. When things reach that level of abstraction, I use the “All That Exists” (ATE) universe. If the multiverse exists, then it is included in the ATE universe. If God exists then He is included in the ATE universe. The ATE universe cannot have an external cause, because anything external to the ATE universe does not exist, by definition.

Hence the ATE universe is either uncaused or self-caused.

The ATE universe is your “something that began in and of itself”.

Note that the ATE universe is not confined to the purely material. If angels exist then they are included. Everything that exists, natural or supernatural in included. Only the non-existent is excluded.

rossum