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rogue13
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Check this out from John Martignoni’s last newsletter: biblechristiansociety.com/newsletter/detail/275
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KrazyKat
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His opinion is just that, his opinion. It is not written that a person must receive the Eucharist in order to go to heaven, or if one does not they will go to hell.
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Blacksword
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A provocative and well thought piece…one we’d do well to ponder.
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rogue13
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Actually, he isn’t offering his opinion. Nowhere did he say that a person goes to Heaven or Hell based on whether or not he receives the Eucharist. That is a misreading of what he said. However, doesn’t Scripture somewhere say that unless one eats the flesh of the Son of Man and drinks His blood, he has no life within him? So, it is written, isn’t it?
But, that is not the main point of the newsletter - deciding who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. The main point is the question - how would you answer his question: Is a person better off by receiving the Eucharist vs. not receiving the Eucharist? Yes or no? Is a person’s chance of being saved increased by receiving the Eucharist? Yes or no?
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jmcrae
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If one is in a state of grace and visibly a member of the Church, one does well to receive the Eucharist, and receives many graces from it that will expand one’s capacity for happiness, both in this world and in the next.
However, if not in a state of grace, or if not a member of the visible Church, one eats and drinks damnation on one’s soul by receiving the Eucharist - this is a sacrilege.
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Good_Fella
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But as Mr. Martignoni actually pointed out, we have a better chance of going to heaven by receiving the Holy Eucharist. This truth is indisputable. “The Eucharist is ‘the source and summit of the Christian life’” (CCC 1324). It is the greatest source of sanctifying grace which the soul needs to enter heaven. Also, it is true that no human being, including the Pope when he canonizes someone a saint, infallibly knows whether a person has gone to heaven. This knowledge is simply based on moral certainty. Only God can judge the interior heart of a person. The role of the Church is to preach the word of God and administer the sacraments. She has no prerogative, let alone capability, to infallibly judge our souls.
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He has said nothing that contradicts Scripture or the Church and his response is even less scary than the Lord’s himself:
“Very truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" John 6:53.
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rogue13
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I think we can safely assume that, given the context, he was not speaking of situations where one would receive the Eucharist unworthily, he was referring to the state of those who do not receive because they are outside of the Catholic Church.
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KrazyKat
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The Catholic Church deep sixed the notion that only Catholic’s go to heaven years ago. Thank God.
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rogue13
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Actually, the Church did not “deep six” the notion that “outside of the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus), you may wish to review the Catechism on that (#'s 846-848). Furthermore, Martignoni did not say anything about who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell - you keep inserting something into his argument that is not there.
But, more importantly, you keep avoiding the questions. Would Billy Graham, or any other non-Catholic, have a better chance of being saved by receiving the Eucharist…yes or no? And, now, another question, does the Scripture say that one must eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood in order to achieve salvation…yes or no?
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KrazyKat
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Looked up both and the answer is yes to both. John 6:53, and the Catechism .
Will be reading both Books more and ignoring the homilies .
Thank you . Glad I posted the way I did because of the true facts I have received.
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april32010
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rogue13
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You, madame (assuming Kat is short for Katherine, here), are a lady and a scholar. “And you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”Looked up both and the answer is yes to both. John 6:53, and the Catechism .
Will be reading both Books more and ignoring the homilies .
Thank you . Glad I posted the way I did because of the true facts I have received.
Although, there are some homilies worth listening to…but do keep those two books handy.
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RaiseMeUp
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What are some views on Billy Graham? Anyone familiar with him?
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adawgj
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I know little about him, but that he preaches the gospel around and is known to be a good author. Sorry:shrug:
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anonymous_in_fl
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He has a mix of Baptist and Methodist perspectives, theologically speaking.
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Jozefo
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When I was growing up, my mother never missed Billy Graham when he was on tv. He always came across as a very nice man. And, when you consider all the scandals that have afflicted Christians over the years, I can’t recall him ever being caught up in one. That has to count for something.
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Bonnie
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A good man - one of the few public preachers who has kept his halo shiny.
He learned over the years, too, and wasn’t afraid to say he didn’t have all the answers.
He hasn’t gone and died, has he? I don’t get news right away - no tv, not much radio, & I don’t look at news sites on the Internet.
Forgot to mention, he got a lot of flack in certain circles for being “soft” on Catholics. He actually believes that we’re Christians - not something everyone agrees with.
He learned over the years, too, and wasn’t afraid to say he didn’t have all the answers.
He hasn’t gone and died, has he? I don’t get news right away - no tv, not much radio, & I don’t look at news sites on the Internet.
Forgot to mention, he got a lot of flack in certain circles for being “soft” on Catholics. He actually believes that we’re Christians - not something everyone agrees with.
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edwest2
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Billy Graham is a very good writer that is sincere and humble. He was impressed by Pope John Paul II - “Boy that Pope sure can Pope.” Since I lived through most of the time period that he mostly writes about, I see a man who did his best to get the Gospel message out and tried to encourage President Eisenhower to help the poor, including a specific proposal related to our grain surplus.
A book I would recommend is Storm Warning. In it, he lays out a view of the world that I think falls in line with much of Church teaching. He has his own thoughts about the end times but his observations about people and governments and the growth of evil and corruption are pretty obvious to anyone who’s taken the time to study what has happened, especially in the West, in the last several decades of gradual spiritual poisoning.
Peace,
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A book I would recommend is Storm Warning. In it, he lays out a view of the world that I think falls in line with much of Church teaching. He has his own thoughts about the end times but his observations about people and governments and the growth of evil and corruption are pretty obvious to anyone who’s taken the time to study what has happened, especially in the West, in the last several decades of gradual spiritual poisoning.
Peace,
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Doxiemom
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He is considered to be one of the best Christian preachers of all time.
His message was that there is sin and you must repent. You have a Savior named Jesus Christ. Follow Him. Go to your church every Sunday.
In his youth( from film) he is quite commanding. He drew thousands to arenas and other similar settings.
If he ever had any “questions” about catholicsim, in his earlier years(the divide between protestant and catholic was strong then) I never heard it in any footage . But it is clear from the latter years he never swayed from seeing all of us as Christian.
What always struck me is this:
Here were two powerful men- Pope John Paul II and Rev, Billy Graham- both extremely intelligent; both very learned. Both as Christian as you can get. Yet they had some fundenmental different thoughts on Scripture. BUT, it was both of their desires to bring people to Christ.
He is alive and quite frail now. he says he wants to do one more crusade. I look forward to seeing that. may God grant him the time and heath to accomplish it.
His message was that there is sin and you must repent. You have a Savior named Jesus Christ. Follow Him. Go to your church every Sunday.
In his youth( from film) he is quite commanding. He drew thousands to arenas and other similar settings.
If he ever had any “questions” about catholicsim, in his earlier years(the divide between protestant and catholic was strong then) I never heard it in any footage . But it is clear from the latter years he never swayed from seeing all of us as Christian.
What always struck me is this:
Here were two powerful men- Pope John Paul II and Rev, Billy Graham- both extremely intelligent; both very learned. Both as Christian as you can get. Yet they had some fundenmental different thoughts on Scripture. BUT, it was both of their desires to bring people to Christ.
He is alive and quite frail now. he says he wants to do one more crusade. I look forward to seeing that. may God grant him the time and heath to accomplish it.
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