Is bombing clinics and killing abortionists moral?

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Did you ever hear the saying "Your so far out,Your back in? That is some people’s logic:eek: You are Loved. Skills with language is very effective for wageing the battle of the minds, But skills of a Christian out ways any battle in body, mind, and fields. Nancy;)
I’m not sure what you mean to say…
 
Hello! There is no eye for an eye, for God is the judge of us all If we bomb or destroy something that we feel and even know is not right, we are not only reacting to our own personal feelings but we are letting these people die in their sins instead of helping them for the Lord. Their death and their sin’s will be on our hand’s! Love of Christ Nancy
Not saying you do not have a point - but you can’t posit that as an absolutely overriding consideration. For instance, defense of one’s family should not be neglected simply because lethal force would shorten the repentance timeframe of the perpetrator.
 
Not saying you do not have a point - but you can’t posit that as an absolutely overriding consideration. For instance, defense of one’s family should not be neglected simply because lethal force would shorten the repentance timeframe of the perpetrator.
Hello i agree with that and i would be in defence of anyone i love famliy or friend, for that fact even a stranger. there have been many in incident’s where people helped someone who they never knew that was being beaten by someone else or perhaps a gang and someone has been killed to protect the innocent from being harmed.Police do it every day and God knows their hearts and how they have to go for counciling every year because it barthers them. God dosent want us to cold bloodedly kill. But we have a right to defend. We are selfs should be more like lambs each as an individual(Christ like),but he knows we are to defend our homes and loved ones For God also hates a Coward. Love of Christ Nancy
 
It is moral for a nation to make war on another nation when it does so to save innocent life – either of its own citizens or of its allies – provided war is used as a last resort or to stop an immediate threat.

Although you can make the same argument to defend the use of violence against abortionists, we live in a nation in which abortion is legal. We, as Catholics, are bound by the laws of our nation.
Phooey on that! Since when are we, as Catholics, “bound” to support murder just because it’s the law? And, as long as I’m at it, how dare we say that it is acceptable to go to war and exercise force to defend “the innocent” post-birth person from unjust aggression, tyranny, and murder on the one hand while making all manner of excuse as to why taking the identical action to defend the unborn “innocent,” is wrong!

Could it be that, in reality and despite our fine Catholic rhetoric, we really *don’t *believe that the unborn human person is a human person? Could it be that we do not really believe that the unborn has as much “dignity,” or the same right to life, as those who have been born?

If war could ever be justified, it could never have a finer cause. Sometimes I think that those of us who simply dismiss ever going to “war” over abortion (and I speak here in a general sense, not referring any individual who has posted on this subject here) are just cowards.
 
Phooey on that
Since when are we, as Catholics, “bound” to support murder just because it’s the law?

1- Melvin, I don’t like paying taxes that support abortion. Yet, I continue to work against abortion and pay taxes. Do you protest-counsel-pray in front of abortion factories? If so, continue and consider yourself a prayer warrior.

And, as long as I’m at it, how dare we say that it is acceptable to go to war and exercise force to defend “the innocent” post-birth person from unjust aggression, tyranny, and murder on the one hand while making all manner of excuse as to why taking the identical action to defend the unborn “innocent,” is wrong!

2- Melvin, you are assuming that non-violent protest is inaction. Using violence gives one a false sense of being powerful and in control; false reality is the essence of sin. The most powerful being in existence allowed himself to be crucified. Hows about we follow his example and non-violently sacrifice ourselves for others. Pray daily, sidewalk counsel daily, fast often and sacrifice all your free time for protest in front of abortion factories-- violence never. God is in control. We cooperate with him.

Could it be that, in reality and despite our fine Catholic rhetoric, we really *don’t *believe that the unborn human person is a human person? Could it be that we do not really believe that the unborn has as much “dignity,” or the same right to life, as those who have been born?

3- Melvin, the way of Jesus is the way to end abortion. Fasting, praying, love, preaching, counseling and self-sacrifice. The way of violence is the way of death. No violence. No death. Choose life. Choose the way of Jesus

If war could ever be justified, it could never have a finer cause. Sometimes I think that those of us who simply dismiss ever going to “war” over abortion (and I speak here in a general sense, not referring any individual who has posted on this subject here) are just cowards.
4- Melvin, violence is easy, so is abortion. Choose the path of suffering that Jesus walked, and then we all will experience the same resurrection that he did. Finally we will be free from this curse that we brought on ourselves. Today is Saturday 2 May 2009. I am off to pray and counsel in front of an abortion factory. I give up one-fourth of my only free time to do this. Stop watching TV and educate yourself in all aspects of this curse that we brought on ourselves because of our inaction. Now we must peacefully act to send this curse back to hell from where it came. We must suffer similar to Jesus. Purify your heart and mind. Relinquish the way of violence and death. Choose life. My brother, peace be with you in the name of Jesus, the crucified and resurrected
 
Killing abortionists is wrong -wrong - wrong

IMHO - Bombing clinics, or burning them to the ground is good - but only if no one is hurt. But how could you be absolutely sure that no one would be hurt? That would include police and fire personnel responding to the fire / bombing.

(I think that I just convinced myself that the risk of hurting someone by bombing / fire is to great to take a chance)

Bob
In my not so humble opinion: You are wrong. Once you use unjust violence to destroy “only property” you give direct permission to others to use violence to support their position. When you destroy an abortion clinic and the owner of that clinic burns down your house and cars because you are attacking his source of income and way of life, what next? Quick our society would devolve into savagery and chaos. The strong would prey on the weak and violence would be a way of life-- just like hell. Choose the way of Jesus. Do what Jesus does: fast, pray, counsel, sacrifice yourself for others. Peace. Anthony
 
My :twocents:

I am shocked to even see such a question asked. The answer is a resounding NO. It is never, ever, ever “moral” to fight evil WITH evil. :nope:
 
4- Melvin, violence is easy, so is abortion. Choose the path of suffering that Jesus walked, and then we all will experience the same resurrection that he did. Finally we will be free from this curse that we brought on ourselves. Today is Saturday 2 May 2009. I am off to pray and counsel in front of an abortion factory. I give up one-fourth of my only free time to do this. Stop watching TV and educate yourself in all aspects of this curse that we brought on ourselves because of our inaction. Now we must peacefully act to send this curse back to hell from where it came. We must suffer similar to Jesus. Purify your heart and mind. Relinquish the way of violence and death. Choose life. My brother, peace be with you in the name of Jesus, the crucified and resurrected
Thank you for your kind response. And thank you for your hard work (and I know it is very grueling at times) in standing up against the scourge of abortion. God bless you. And no, I cannot claim to have dedicated myself to this cause as you have. And yes, I should follow your example which is the way of Christ.

However, please note that I did not allege that we (as Catholics) do not take *any action. *What I wrote is that we, as Catholics, find justification for war on one hand for exactly the same cause for which we deny its validity on the other. I believe the common number bandied about for those whose lives have been lost due to abortion in the U.S. is 50 million. Worldwide, only God knows how many have been lost.

Perhaps you are correct that violence gives one a feeling of “power.” (And please note that I am not advocating violence, I am trying to show what is, to me, a disconnect in our thinking.) However, the point of war ( for any just cause) is not to make those engaged “feel” better, or to give them a sense of power, but to save life and stop injustice. Even the Church acknowledges the legitimacy of such efforts. And, in all such efforts, war is waged because no other recourse has prevailed.

Sometimes I wonder exactly how long we must wait before we decide that the peaceful path has not worked, and how many must die during the interim?

Please continue in your efforts, and I will endeavor to improve mine. May God have mercy on all of us, bless us, and grant us peace.

The Lord bless you.
 
Thank you for your kind response. And thank you for your hard work (and I know it is very grueling at times) in standing up against the scourge of abortion. God bless you. And no, I cannot claim to have dedicated myself to this cause as you have. And yes, I should follow your example which is the way of Christ.

However, please note that I did not allege that we (as Catholics) do not take *any action. *What I wrote is that we, as Catholics, find justification for war on one hand for exactly the same cause for which we deny its validity on the other. I believe the common number bandied about for those whose lives have been lost due to abortion in the U.S. is 50 million. Worldwide, only God knows how many have been lost.

Perhaps you are correct that violence gives one a feeling of “power.” (And please note that I am not advocating violence, I am trying to show what is, to me, a disconnect in our thinking.) However, the point of war ( for any just cause) is not to make those engaged “feel” better, or to give them a sense of power, but to save life and stop injustice. Even the Church acknowledges the legitimacy of such efforts. And, in all such efforts, war is waged because no other recourse has prevailed.

Sometimes I wonder exactly how long we must wait before we decide that the peaceful path has not worked, and how many must die during the interim?

Please continue in your efforts, and I will endeavor to improve mine. May God have mercy on all of us, bless us, and grant us peace.

The Lord bless you.
🙂 Melvin I come in agreement with you,no one want’s war or any suffering but the fact is when people Genocide, and no one helps them because they have a gov. that is the reason for it, then some one should help these people, had we gone in sooner when the Jews were being genocide alot of lives would have been saved. If every thing has been tried and people are still being raped, mutilated, and put in front of fireing squards, because they stole an apple, My God, Are we not our Brothers Keeper? A balance even in nature is “stable equilibrium” A small change in some particular parameter will be corrected by some negative feed back, that will bring the parameter back to it’s original point. Love of Christ Nancy
 
Thank you for your kind response. And thank you for your hard work (and I know it is very grueling at times) in standing up against the scourge of abortion. God bless you. And no, I cannot claim to have dedicated myself to this cause as you have. And yes, I should follow your example which is the way of Christ.

Melvin, thanks for the compliment, but I am less than the least in this battle. Follow the example of Jesus, not me.

However, please note that I did not allege that we (as Catholics) do not take *any action. *What I wrote is that we, as Catholics, find justification for war on one hand for exactly the same cause for which we deny its validity on the other. I believe the common number bandied about for those whose lives have been lost due to abortion in the U.S. is 50 million. Worldwide, only God knows how many have been lost.
I heard a director from Human Life International say about 1.3 billion abortions worldwide since the 1960s. That’s equivalent example is this: Remove all the people from Europe, North & South America, Australia, New Zealand and Mongolia. That’s one-third of the world’s population.

Perhaps you are correct that violence gives one a feeling of “power.” (And please note that I am not advocating violence, I am trying to show what is, to me, a disconnect in our thinking.) However, the point of war ( for any just cause) is not to make those engaged “feel” better, or to give them a sense of power, but to save life and stop injustice. Even the Church acknowledges the legitimacy of such efforts. And, in all such efforts, war is waged because no other recourse has prevailed.

Melvin: Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the founder of the National Abortion Rights Action League, and an abortionist with more than 20,000 abortions against him, was transformed and converted by prayer. He is now Pro-life and Catholic. Dr. Nathanson produced The Silent Scream and advocates pro-life and speaks against the culture of death.

Sometimes I wonder exactly how long we must wait before we decide that the peaceful path has not worked, and how many must die during the interim?

Please continue in your efforts, and I will endeavor to improve mine. May God have mercy on all of us, bless us, and grant us peace.

The Lord bless you.
Melvin, thanks for being humble enough to accept what I had to say.

Go to this link to listen to “Invoking the Aid of St. Michael the Archangel Against Abortion (‘http://www.catholic.com/radio/event.php?calendar=1&category=0&event=5397&date=2008-10-31’,‘435’,'485’);” (Joseph Meaney, October 31 2008 Catholic Answers Radio Shows)

Peace,
Anthony
 
Could it be that, in reality and despite our fine Catholic rhetoric, we really *don’t *believe that the unborn human person is a human person? Could it be that we do not really believe that the unborn has as much “dignity,” or the same right to life, as those who have been born?

If war could ever be justified, it could never have a finer cause. Sometimes I think that those of us who simply dismiss ever going to “war” over abortion (and I speak here in a general sense, not referring any individual who has posted on this subject here) are just cowards.
Melvin,

This does not describe me. I’ve been to war, albeit in a supporting role – not front line. War is only justified (in the teaching of the Holy Roman Catholic Church) when Innocent life is threatened and there is a reasonable chance of success. The success of an act of war means that the reason for going to war ceases to exist.

If we are to resort to a war of violence against abortion, would abortion cease to exist? It’s my humble opinion that it would not—you may disagree. I don’t believe Congress, the Supreme Court Justices, our president, or the person next door would suddenly see abortion for the evil that it is. What would be thrust suddenly into their consciousnesses is the ugly violence against abortionists.

Coward? Were the civil rights activists of the '60s cowards for only demonstrating peacefully and not taking up arms as some wanted them to? They demonstrated within the law. The prayed, prayed, prayed, etc. … They changed hearts first, which lead to the changing of laws and changing America for the better.

I do not believe faithful Catholics pray enough for the end of abortion. Most want to change laws simply by voting, which is important but not as vital as prayer!!! Most who say they are pro-life spend little time contemplating this issue in prayer with Our Lord (just my opinion, of course).

Our weapon of choice must be prayer! Pro-life Catholics need to pray for the end of this evil! We need to do penance! We need to fast! We need to pray the rosary! We need to demonstrate peacefully and prayerfully! We need to do all this in greater and greater numbers! We need to make these ancient and holy practices a regular part of our lives!!! Anything less can be considered cowardice, in my humble opinion of course.

Peace of Christ
 
Melvin,

This does not describe me. I’ve been to war, albeit in a supporting role – not front line. War is only justified (in the teaching of the Holy Roman Catholic Church) when Innocent life is threatened and there is a reasonable chance of success. The success of an act of war means that the reason for going to war ceases to exist.

If we are to resort to a war of violence against abortion, would abortion cease to exist? It’s my humble opinion that it would not—you may disagree. I don’t believe Congress, the Supreme Court Justices, our president, or the person next door would suddenly see abortion for the evil that it is. What would be thrust suddenly into their consciousnesses is the ugly violence against abortionists.

Coward? Were the civil rights activists of the '60s cowards for only demonstrating peacefully and not taking up arms as some wanted them to? They demonstrated within the law. The prayed, prayed, prayed, etc. … They changed hearts first, which lead to the changing of laws and changing America for the better.

I do not believe faithful Catholics pray enough for the end of abortion. Most want to change laws simply by voting, which is important but not as vital as prayer!!! Most who say they are pro-life spend little time contemplating this issue in prayer with Our Lord (just my opinion, of course).

Our weapon of choice must be prayer! Pro-life Catholics need to pray for the end of this evil! We need to do penance! We need to fast! We need to pray the rosary! We need to demonstrate peacefully and prayerfully! We need to do all this in greater and greater numbers! We need to make these ancient and holy practices a regular part of our lives!!! Anything less can be considered cowardice, in my humble opinion of course.

Peace of Christ
A BIG 10-4 goes out to Romeo Charlie. Peace be with you and all.
 
Melvin,

This does not describe me. I’ve been to war, albeit in a supporting role – not front line. War is only justified (in the teaching of the Holy Roman Catholic Church) when Innocent life is threatened and there is a reasonable chance of success. The success of an act of war means that the reason for going to war ceases to exist.

If we are to resort to a war of violence against abortion, would abortion cease to exist? It’s my humble opinion that it would not—you may disagree. I don’t believe Congress, the Supreme Court Justices, our president, or the person next door would suddenly see abortion for the evil that it is. What would be thrust suddenly into their consciousnesses is the ugly violence against abortionists.

Coward? Were the civil rights activists of the '60s cowards for only demonstrating peacefully and not taking up arms as some wanted them to? They demonstrated within the law. The prayed, prayed, prayed, etc. … They changed hearts first, which lead to the changing of laws and changing America for the better.

I do not believe faithful Catholics pray enough for the end of abortion. Most want to change laws simply by voting, which is important but not as vital as prayer!!! Most who say they are pro-life spend little time contemplating this issue in prayer with Our Lord (just my opinion, of course).

Our weapon of choice must be prayer! Pro-life Catholics need to pray for the end of this evil! We need to do penance! We need to fast! We need to pray the rosary! We need to demonstrate peacefully and prayerfully! We need to do all this in greater and greater numbers! We need to make these ancient and holy practices a regular part of our lives!!! Anything less can be considered cowardice, in my humble opinion of course.

Peace of Christ
I’ll 2nd RC. I’m guilty of not praying enough for pro-life. I seem to be able to remember those in purgatory…but not the pro-life movement. Lord help me with that please.

*** I added the emphasis in the quote ***
 
In my experience, this kind of ‘shock therapy’ only leaves kids bewildered. It has no real long term effects. I went through DARE and other forms of abstinence training and the fact is that, statistically, abstinence training doesn’t work. Moderation and safe practices are more effective at reducing unwanted pregnancies, disease, and promiscuous behavior.

Scaring someone will never do as good a job as showing them why they should be scared, telling them what they CAN do as an alternative, and giving them the tools to protect themselves should something happen.

I can teach my kid that ‘fighting is wrong and one should never do it’, but that won’t do anything at all to make him a more apt combatant or more skilled at conflict resolution, should the situation arise. The same goes for any activity.

For sure, teach the different viewpoints on when life begins and what conception means - no slant, no bias “Catholics believe . Protestants believe . Science says .”

If everyone would stop treating children like idiots who need to be instructed and scared out of something, instead conduct oneself around them as if they have a brain and a capacity for thinking, feeling, and learning - they just might develop a penchant for it.
Yeah, at my school they threw abstinence out the window and gave everyone free condoms. Judging from the amount of sex I saw (I was in orchestra, and we had private practice rooms, just big enough for two, or three people, if that’s what suited you. This created alot of awkward moments. I’d like for you to picture walking in on a threesome of your classmates and saying ‘Oh, sorry, I needed to practice Greensleeves’. I’m sure my face turned ten shades of red! Ha!) Probably about half the kids were sexually active by thirteen, most of the rest came along by fifteen. And judging by the number of pregnancies and STDs going around that place (I remember we even had to have a SPECIAL meeting in the auditorium about herpes, led by the principal no less, since it had become, in his words, a ‘significant issue’ at this high school. So funny. A bit gross too when you think about it, but it seemed very funny at the time.)
If kids don’t listen to why they should abstain from sex, why on earth would they listen as to why they should use condoms?
I kind of feel like if kids had respect for themselves, their bodies, and didn’t feel so much pressure to act like everyone else (or act like how they THOUGHT everyone else was acting) this wouldn’t be nearly the issue that it is.
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I find it hypocritical that so many of you don’t think children should be subjected to pictures of abortion. The reason it would shock their sensibilites is due to the reality of the situation. How many fewer abortions would their have been, had these girls been shown what it truly is all about at a tender age? My guess is many fewer.

I know my own nephew (18), no religious upbringing, got an education running into one of Joe Scheidler’s demonstrations (an intersection with hundreds of the same picture lining the streets. “That’s terrible!”), he said, referring to abortion. It had never crossed his mind.

It is hypocritical, because you don’t want to subject a child to it, but, you are willing to let the aborted fetus be subjected to it. As I said before, we just don’t care enough.
 
But, if only property was destroyed, how many Christian folks would feel sorrow in seeing an abortion clinic closed down?

This is where the danger of the soul begins. It starts with: I have a great idea, it would just be the building. In real life such an event did occur. This is how people in those buildings were murdered. People that thought they were saving someone, went to and are still rotting in prison because they thought it was a good idea at the time.

NOT a good idea. You cannot save anyone by blowing up buildings and murdering innocent people, even if you think the cause is just because: You become the monster.
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I think it depends on the availability of other means of stopping the action. Of course violence is a last resort, but no one would think of disputing that our air force should have bombed the death camps. Something I think it odd that people call abortion murder and then refuse even to think of using force to stop it.
 
Melvin,

This does not describe me. I’ve been to war, albeit in a supporting role – not front line. War is only justified (in the teaching of the Holy Roman Catholic Church) when Innocent life is threatened and there is a reasonable chance of success. The success of an act of war means that the reason for going to war ceases to exist.

If we are to resort to a war of violence against abortion, would abortion cease to exist? It’s my humble opinion that it would not—you may disagree. I don’t believe Congress, the Supreme Court Justices, our president, or the person next door would suddenly see abortion for the evil that it is. What would be thrust suddenly into their consciousnesses is the ugly violence against abortionists.

Coward? Were the civil rights activists of the '60s cowards for only demonstrating peacefully and not taking up arms as some wanted them to? They demonstrated within the law. The prayed, prayed, prayed, etc. … They changed hearts first, which lead to the changing of laws and changing America for the better.

I do not believe faithful Catholics pray enough for the end of abortion. Most want to change laws simply by voting, which is important but not as vital as prayer!!! Most who say they are pro-life spend little time contemplating this issue in prayer with Our Lord (just my opinion, of course).

Our weapon of choice must be prayer! Pro-life Catholics need to pray for the end of this evil! We need to do penance! We need to fast! We need to pray the rosary! We need to demonstrate peacefully and prayerfully! We need to do all this in greater and greater numbers! We need to make these ancient and holy practices a regular part of our lives!!! Anything less can be considered cowardice, in my humble opinion of course.

Peace of Christ
The civil rights movement was hardly as nonviolent as people remember. Dr. King managed to keep ther young men restrained, but not perfectly. Many policemen were injured during these protests. Arresting young, strong men against their will is like
trying to play football without padding. And most state troopers were in good shape themselves.
 
Yeah, at my school they threw abstinence out the window and gave everyone free condoms. Judging from the amount of sex I saw (I was in orchestra, and we had private practice rooms, just big enough for two, or three people, if that’s what suited you. This created alot of awkward moments. I’d like for you to picture walking in on a threesome of your classmates and saying ‘Oh, sorry, I needed to practice Greensleeves’. I’m sure my face turned ten shades of red! Ha!) Probably about half the kids were sexually active by thirteen, most of the rest came along by fifteen. And judging by the number of pregnancies and STDs going around that place (I remember we even had to have a SPECIAL meeting in the auditorium about herpes, led by the principal no less, since it had become, in his words, a ‘significant issue’ at this high school. So funny. A bit gross too when you think about it, but it seemed very funny at the time.)
If kids don’t listen to why they should abstain from sex, why on earth would they listen as to why they should use condoms?
I kind of feel like if kids had respect for themselves, their bodies, and didn’t feel so much pressure to act like everyone else (or act like how they THOUGHT everyone else was acting) this wouldn’t be nearly the issue that it is.
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Liberals have never been willing to look at the consequences of having abandoned the traditional sexual morality. In his book, “the Age of Materialism,” Carleton J.H. Hayes
pointed out that Darwinism intellectually cut loose from Christian theology buit not from its morality. It took a generationm until the “gay 'nineties” that the slow process of abandoning traditional morality began to take affect among the middle and upper classes. It continued during the “roaring Twenties” and then was slowed by the Depression and War. Then in the fifties, the Kinsey Report was a sign that our elites had lost patience with conventional restraints. The “sexual revolution” was simply an abandonment of the hypocrisy of following a morality with no basis in faith. But it is only modern medicine that has prevented us from destroying ourselves literally in pursuits of the ultimate orgasm.
 
Ladies and Gentlemen: Please stay focused on the thread theme. I have written private messages to people when my response was not congruent with the theme: Is bombing clinics and killing abortionists moral? Yes or No? Staying focused will help us arrive at a destination instead of wandering in the desert for 40 years.

Let’s start other threads regarding the 1) civil rights movement and violence, 2) Sexual morality in the schools?
 
To the eight people who missed me: sorry I dropped off the face of the Earth. I’m going to do it again after this post. Real life. Very busy. Sorry.
The answer is a resounding NO. It is never, ever, ever “moral” to fight evil WITH evil.
Marie’s statement nails the general sentiment that has run underneath post after post in this thread: you can’t fight violence with violence; you can’t fight evil with evil; you can’t fight a monster with their methods or you become the monster.

This belief, which holds anti-abortion violence is always evil, is not compatible with Catholicism (unless you are a Catholic pacifist, in which case, more power to ya’). Violence is not inherently evil, contrary to what Marie and others have suggested. Violence employed towards evil ends is evil. Violence employed through evil methods (for instance, targeting the innocent) would be an evil means, and therefore evil. There is nothing inherently evil, though, in employing violence, including lethal violence, as a last-resort tool to prevent the enactment or further carrying-out of a grave injustice by a deliberate (non-innocent) actor. In fact, far from being an inherent evil, it is a positive duty to prevent injustices like abortion or the Holocaust by all legitimate means, which, unless you are a total pacifist, does include deadly violence. Using violence in a just situation doesn’t turn you into a monster. It turns you into St. Michael.

To answer the OP: there is no inherent evil in destroying an abortion clinic or any other equipment, property, or accessories of the abortion industry. There is also no inherent evil in employing lethal force against a professional abortionist or the political authority that protects such an abortionist. However, certain prudential conditions must be met in order to justify such extreme action. Those conditions are defined by the Catechism, in a key passage I’m surprised no one has yet quoted:

CCC 2243 said:
2243: Armed resistance to oppression by political authority is not legitimate, unless all the following conditions are met: 1) there is certain, grave, and prolonged violation of fundamental rights; 2) all other means of redress have been exhausted; 3) such resistance will not provoke worse disorders; 4) there is well-founded hope of success; and 5) it is impossible reasonably to foresee any better solution.

CCC 2243

Condition (1) has clearly been met in the case of American abortion. I believe (2) and (5) have also been met, especially if, instead of considering abortion in the abstract, you consider the 4,000 people who will die tomorrow if you do not act tonight. However, I do not believe that (3) and (4) have been met. Nor is is likely that they will be met in the near future. However, since (2) through (5) are prudential considerations (as opposed to inherent ones), there may be legitimate disagreement over which conditions have been met and which ones have not.

Regardless, I think you’d be hard-pressed to argue that all the conditions have been met. Therefore, the destruction of property and successful use of lethal force against abortionists (that is, killing them) is not legitimate at this time. No abortion clinic bomber to date has conducted operations in which these conditions have been met; therefore, abortion clinic bombers to date have not acted legitimately. Their actions were not rightgeous nor heroic, but, like John Brown’s attack on Harper’s Ferry, they were sinful. I do not deny that Eric Rudolph committed serious sin. However, had Rudolph and these other bombers waited until the exhaustion of political solutions and subsequently found some way to provide a reasonable chance of success without causing greater evil, they could have been heroes.

We anti-abortionists don’t like to admit this, because it is much easier to revile, without distinction or allowance, those fringe crazies who make us look bad by fruitlessly setting off bombs and killing abortionists. Yet the Catholic teaching is quite clear: armed resistence against a grave and persistent evil (a category in which there is no stronger example than abortion) can, under some circumstances, be legitimate. Therefore, it cannot be an inherent evil (because inherent evils are never legitimate under any circumstances).

I will now, after dropping daughteroftruth an apology for my sudden absence, disappear again. Back to the grindstone. Sigh.
 
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