Is bombing clinics and killing abortionists moral?

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It is a confusing thing to ponder. I can only hope that our courts will one day protect unborn children & give them their full human rights.It took how long to get rid of slavery in America?🤷 It won’t be overnight.
Cracker Mom it was not a queston of how much time it took to get rid of slavery. It took KILLING PEOPLE. How can anyone just forget a little thing like 600,000 war deaths to Americans during the civil war?
 
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Peter:
Romand 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men.
1Thess 5:15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.
1Peter 3:9 not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing.
Christians are supposed to be about God’s business of saving people not killing them. I believe God is “always” in control no matter how dire the circumstance, and like my earthly Dad, God too has called me to be a fireman as I believe He has all of us. We are called to help, called to save, called to protect, called to encourage, and breathe life into people, to love them and have compassion but to do it all in the strength of God’s truth. We oppose the enemy to his face, we do not shrink back, we call sin sin, always pointing the way to the Savior who bought us by His precious blood. We stand against an enemy that would steal our divine gift from God but we never, never, never confuse flesh and blood for the enemy. I know my enemy and he is not flesh and blood - he is the enemy of the entire human race and his ways are deceit, decadence, rage and murder and any one caught in his ways is merely only His slave. I do not doubt that God can take a renegade tyrant and murderer, such as Paul, and make him into a saint. I ask a simple question who triumped in this crime? Did we who believe in pro-life and saving babies? Did Christians? or did the Devil take the day? I don’t know if you’ve ever read the ‘End of the Spear’ a true story of Christian missionaries who piloted their plane deep into the Ecuadorian jungle. Jim Eliott, Roger Youderian, a WWII paratrooper and three others made a pact to bring the gospel of Christ to a tribe with the highest murder rate in South America. They had rifles on their plane but they told their friends they would not use it against the tribemen for they said, "We know we will spend eternity with Christ but we also know that without the knowledge of Christ’s gospel where these tribesmen would spend eternity also. Therefore we will not use our weapons against them. Their widows and children brought that tribe the light of Christ less than a decade later. Flesh and blood are never the enemy!
St. Paul & St Peter:
Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly places.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
May God give us the wisdom to walk in the light of His truth, Erchomai Kyrios.
 
The catholic church allows killing in the defence of an innocent. Do not forget that right now there are several little babies resting peacefully in their mothers wombs, instead of writhing in pain from the saline Tiller would have injected, if he had the chance.
The above train of thought will only lead to a response, a bad one, a violent one. Once again, what if a child molested by a priest, now grown, wanted to effect justice by killling the priest because it was justice. Is this ok too? By the way, it already happened.

In a borrowed line from another wise poster: We do not have the right however to proactively kill because such would indicate that the intention of ones action is to murder or cause grievous injury rather than the intent to subdue. Such action is always condemned by the Church. If the church does not condem such action, then they need to find another avenue.
 
**Where’s the Jack Ruby wannabe when you need him?

Limerick**
 
**Where’s the Jack Ruby wannabe when you need him?

Limerick**
Oh yeah limerick so you want a Jack Ruby style killer to kill Tiller’s killer for Ya huh? What’s the matter you don’t mind a little killing just as long as somebody else does it for you right? Yeah you are a pure dyed in the wool abortion loving coward alright.
 
Oh yeah limerick so you want a Jack Ruby style killer to kill Tiller’s killer for Ya huh? What’s the matter you don’t mind a little killing just as long as somebody else does it for you right? Yeah you are a pure dyed in the wool abortion loving coward alright.
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Maybe you didn’t read the forum rules. I suggest you humble yourself long enough to read what the administrators and moderators have to say about charitable posting.

I simply think it would be interesting from a moral point of view if someone had stopped Dr. Tiller’s killer through violence. The point is that it gets thornier as it goes along, and violence begets violence. I don’t want anyone to do anything FOR ME. I am not “an abortion-loving coward”. I am sorry that so many women seek love through sexuality and that so many men feign love to secure a sexual partner. I believe these are two reasons that unexpected pregnancies occur today, along with little or no knowledge of how the male and female human bodies work - and don’t work - and a casual attitude of entitlement to pleasure. I do support choice. I also adamantly declare that choice does not always lead a woman or a couple or a family to abortion.

stuartsfeather, what is it that you hope to accomplish by your knee-jerk reactions to posters who don’t agree with you? Do you think your name-calling and vitriol can accomplish some lofty goal such as diminishing the number of abortions that occur in the U.S. on any given day? Do you believe that you are providing enlightenment or solace to anyone contemplating abortion or having experienced abortion? Where is Christ in your Christianity?

Limerick**
 
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Maybe you didn’t read the forum rules. I suggest you humble yourself long enough to read what the administrators and moderators have to say about charitable posting.

I simply think it would be interesting from a moral point of view if someone had stopped Dr. Tiller’s killer through violence. The point is that it gets thornier as it goes along, and violence begets violence. I don’t want anyone to do anything FOR ME. I am not “an abortion-loving coward”. I am sorry that so many women seek love through sexuality and that so many men feign love to secure a sexual partner. I believe these are two reasons that unexpected pregnancies occur today, along with little or no knowledge of how the male and female human bodies work - and don’t work - and a casual attitude of entitlement to pleasure. I do support choice. I also adamantly declare that choice does not always lead a woman or a couple or a family to abortion.

stuartsfeather, what is it that you hope to accomplish by your knee-jerk reactions to posters who don’t agree with you? Do you think your name-calling and vitriol can accomplish some lofty goal such as diminishing the number of abortions that occur in the U.S. on any given day? Do you believe that you are providing enlightenment or solace to anyone contemplating abortion or having experienced abortion? Where is Christ in your Christianity?

Limerick**
You have abused other posters and spewed your bile over the last two days and none of my reactions to you are knee jerk they stem from a deep rooted disgust of a self proclaimed know more than anybody liberal bigot like you. You have tryed your best to eilicit hard reations from several posters here, reactions that they never even insinuated, and then you have the gall to lecture. Like I told you before you are a joke and need a life. Try to find some feel goody spa for that pedicure and rubdown, get out of the house and talk with people face up. Oh but take heart I will still pray for you.
 
The above train of thought will only lead to a response, a bad one, a violent one. Once again, what if a child molested by a priest, now grown, wanted to effect justice by killling the priest because it was justice. Is this ok too? By the way, it already happened.

In a borrowed line from another wise poster: We do not have the right however to proactively kill because such would indicate that the intention of ones action is to murder or cause grievous injury rather than the intent to subdue. Such action is always condemned by the Church. If the church does not condem such action, then they need to find another avenue.
What is said is objectively true. Yet I won’t blow up clinics and I won’t kill or even assault abortionists because the consequences of doing either are incalculable. Even evil laws must sometimes be respected. Yet it is a fair question: at what point does resistance become mandatory? And the answer is what is laid down in the declarartion of independence: when there is no longer hope of peaceable change.
 
Nine pages and the discussion rages on. The answer to the original question is simply “No”.

No matter what the person has done, we must see Jesus in each and everyone. That means seeing Jesus in each in every murderer, rapist, bank robber, car thief, shoplifter, drug abuser, people who have said unkind words – everyone.

Through humans The Liar, The Deceiver has convinced many that killing is the answer – we’ve tried killing our creator, genocide, abortion, wars, gas, suicide bombings, etc. to “solve” problems. Life and Truth come from He who is Truth and Life. Truth and Life is the answer to problems.
 
You have abused other posters and spewed your bile over the last two days and none of my reactions to you are knee jerk they stem from a deep rooted disgust of a self proclaimed know more than anybody liberal bigot like you. You have tryed your best to eilicit hard reations from several posters here, reactions that they never even insinuated, and then you have the gall to lecture. Like I told you before you are a joke and need a life. Try to find some feel goody spa for that pedicure and rubdown, get out of the house and talk with people face up. Oh but take heart I will still pray for you.
**Show me where I have been abusive. Show me where I have “spewed my bile over the last two days”. I have never claimed I know more than anybody on religious, legal or moral matters. Please elucidate my bigotry. I have tried to stimulate discussion; I have not tried to “elicit hard reactions”. Other posters don’t need you to come to their defense; they are intelligent enough to carry their own weight.

I don’t feel as if I have lectured. I have shared my opinions, which are firm and as such seem to offend you. You call me “a joke”. Do you mean my viewpoints are a joke? If I disagree with you, then could I **call you “a joke”? I have a life, one that I am not always delighted with but one that can be channeled toward something productive, something meaningful, something good. It is a life given to me by God, and for you to demean His gift diminishes you. I don’t do frivolity such as spas, rubdowns, facials, and the like because I have no need to be pampered. I work full-time and am with people from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 or 7:00 p.m. five days a week, plus four hours on Saturdays. I enjoy talking face to face with people, even those with whom I disagree. I welcome other ideas to consider. Sometimes I adopt them.

I consider prayers you might offer on my behalf to be worthless; God will know the insincerity that lives within your heart. Please don’t waste your precious time praying for me. Pray for a complete, intensive personal understanding of bigotry, of resentment, of blame, of judgment. Pray and learn.

Is bombing clinics and killing abortionists moral? Of course not. Not any more than bombing another’s code of ethics or killing another’s spirit.

Limerick
 
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