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smichhertz
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What specific verse are you referring to? If you could post it, that might help us assist you.Everyone who knows boxing knows that based on the fighting criteria boxing is DEFINETLY not a sin. The thing that concerns me is that boxing is not always good for building up like Paul says. Does this make boxing a sin, because is not always good for building up? And also because Paul said that we should keep our bodies like temples, holy. These words said by Paul are the only things that concerns me. As far as goes for the rest of the attacks against boxing, we boxing fans know that boxing is not really about hurting your oponnent till he can’t hit you no more.
But no, boxing or watching boxing is not sinful. It’s a professional sport.
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Bookcat
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Something can be a professional sport …and still be sinful.But no, boxing or watching boxing is not sinful. It’s a professional sport.
The Gladiators of old --were professionals.
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smichhertz
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Of course, but no professional sport that I know of today in our society fits that bill.Something can be a professional sport …and still be sinful.
The Gladiators of old --were professionals.
I don’t think it’s necessary to specify that given the context of the OP.
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Bookcat
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Yes I understand such is your opinion.Of course, but no professional sport that I know of today in our society fits that bill.
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tomarin
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And you do sometimes encounter those people, or so I’ve heard. In other words, it’s not as hypothetical as it might sound.Boxing is simply a sport, so no, it is not in itself sinful. However, if a boxer was in the sport because he liked to hurt people, or he wanted to knock the opponent out because he has something against his opponent (like a grudge), then it would be immoral for him because his motives are not good.
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tomarin
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I have a friend who is a martial artist and his opinion is that boxing is somewhat different from other martial arts in that the objective of boxing is to incapacitate your opponent with a blow to the head. When you think about it, that’s going to result in brain damage. One blow may not result in permanent brain damage, but repeated blows over a long period of time probably will.I like boxing because it is a test of a persons toughness and ability to stand and take a punch and still go forward. It is a test of the will to not quit. I respect someone who has trained hard, and doesn’t quit when it gets tough.
At the end of the day boxers (and in general all participants in combat sports) respect their opponents.
I’m not saying that renders it sinful, per se, but I can’t say I think it’s necessarily good for your brain or your long-term health.
Having said that, it’s an intriguing sport and part of me wishes I could practice it. But it’s a blood sport.
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Bookcat
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I imagine orthodox Moral Theologians can address the question of if “boxing is a sin” differently --and under what aspects is or is not sinful.
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Bookcat
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“Moralists generally have doubted the morality of professional boxing, of the bull-fighting popular in Hispanic culture, of speed racing, and of various kinds of stunting in which there is serious risk of death or grave bodily injury.”
~ Fr. Benedict Ashley OP
pg 306 “Living the Truth in Love, a Biblical introduction to Moral Theology” 1996
(Fr. Benedict Ashley was professor of Theology at the Aquinas Institute of Theology, highly respected author of several text and countless articles on moral theology. A consultant for the Committee on Doctrine of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and a senior fellow of the Pope John Center of Medical Ethics. He was honored with the Pro Ecclesia medal from Bl. Pope John Paul II)
(Note Bene the term “professional” there. The criticisms others too have in this thread seem to be aimed at that level or kind of boxing with all its multiple head shoots etc I imagine moral theologians can discuss any difference between “professional boxing” and other kinds of boxing -I do not have personal knowledge really of either…but I note this for there are likely various distinctions that can be made theologically)
~ Fr. Benedict Ashley OP
pg 306 “Living the Truth in Love, a Biblical introduction to Moral Theology” 1996
(Fr. Benedict Ashley was professor of Theology at the Aquinas Institute of Theology, highly respected author of several text and countless articles on moral theology. A consultant for the Committee on Doctrine of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and a senior fellow of the Pope John Center of Medical Ethics. He was honored with the Pro Ecclesia medal from Bl. Pope John Paul II)
(Note Bene the term “professional” there. The criticisms others too have in this thread seem to be aimed at that level or kind of boxing with all its multiple head shoots etc I imagine moral theologians can discuss any difference between “professional boxing” and other kinds of boxing -I do not have personal knowledge really of either…but I note this for there are likely various distinctions that can be made theologically)
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jimmy
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It is definitely not good for your health. Many boxers end up punch drunk or with some kind of brain damage.I have a friend who is a martial artist and his opinion is that boxing is somewhat different from other martial arts in that the objective of boxing is to incapacitate your opponent with a blow to the head. When you think about it, that’s going to result in brain damage. One blow may not result in permanent brain damage, but repeated blows over a long period of time probably will.
I’m not saying that renders it sinful, per se, but I can’t say I think it’s necessarily good for your brain or your long-term health.
Having said that, it’s an intriguing sport and part of me wishes I could practice it. But it’s a blood sport.
I kind of wish I would have boxed when I was younger. I was a wrestler, which is a great sport, but there is something intriguing about standing in the ring and trying to punch the other guy and avoid his punches at the same time. I love the individual nature of wrestling. You go out there and it is you against the other guy, and either you win or you lose. There is no team to share the glory or the blame. It is frightening and exhilarating at the same time. It changes everything when you are getting punched. It’s like you are fighting for your life at that point.
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tomarin
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Yep, that sounds about right. Imagine the cat-like reflexes you must have to dodge an incoming cross and then come back with a hook.It is definitely not good for your health. Many boxers end up punch drunk or with some kind of brain damage.
I kind of wish I would have boxed when I was younger. I was a wrestler, which is a great sport, but there is something intriguing about standing in the ring and trying to punch the other guy and avoid his punches at the same time. I love the individual nature of wrestling. You go out there and it is you against the other guy, and either you win or you lose. There is no team to share the glory or the blame. It is frightening and exhilarating at the same time. It changes everything when you are getting punched. It’s like you are fighting for your life at that point.
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Bookcat
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“Moralists generally have doubted the morality of professional boxing, of the bull-fighting popular in Hispanic culture, of speed racing, and of various kinds of stunting in which there is serious risk of death or grave bodily injury.”
~ Fr. Benedict Ashley OP
pg 306 “Living the Truth in Love, a Biblical introduction to Moral Theology” 1996
(Fr. Benedict Ashley was professor of Theology at the Aquinas Institute of Theology, highly respected author of several text and countless articles on moral theology. A consultant for the Committee on Doctrine of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and a senior fellow of the Pope John Center of Medical Ethics. He was honored with the Pro Ecclesia medal from Bl. Pope John Paul II)
(Note Bene the term “professional” there. The criticisms others too have in this thread seem to be aimed at that level or kind of boxing with all its multiple head shoots etc I imagine moral theologians can discuss any difference between “professional boxing” and other kinds of boxing -I do not have personal knowledge really of either…but I note this for there are likely various distinctions that can be made theologically)
~ Fr. Benedict Ashley OP
pg 306 “Living the Truth in Love, a Biblical introduction to Moral Theology” 1996
(Fr. Benedict Ashley was professor of Theology at the Aquinas Institute of Theology, highly respected author of several text and countless articles on moral theology. A consultant for the Committee on Doctrine of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and a senior fellow of the Pope John Center of Medical Ethics. He was honored with the Pro Ecclesia medal from Bl. Pope John Paul II)
(Note Bene the term “professional” there. The criticisms others too have in this thread seem to be aimed at that level or kind of boxing with all its multiple head shoots etc I imagine moral theologians can discuss any difference between “professional boxing” and other kinds of boxing -I do not have personal knowledge really of either…but I note this for there are likely various distinctions that can be made theologically)
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Timi_Celcer
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When someone puts boxing like that, “its goal is to damage the oponnent brain” then yes, its sounds sinful. But we(people that know boxing better) know that this is a bad description of boxing. Its like saying American football is about tackling your oponnent until he can’t run no more. What is a better description of boxing, is that it is a sport when a boxer has to OUTBOX his opponent through skill, speed, strenght. There is(in majority cases) alot of respect between boxers. And boxing can be a lot of fun(even if its hurt) trust me.
Here are those verses in the Bible where Paul says those things i said that concern me whether boxing is a sin:
1 Corinthians 6:19-20:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
1 Corinthians 6:12:“I have the right to do anything,” you say–but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”–but I will not be mastered by anything.
Please help, i love boxing and i would really appreciate if you would think hard for me on the issue of the morality of boxing.
Here are those verses in the Bible where Paul says those things i said that concern me whether boxing is a sin:
1 Corinthians 6:19-20:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
1 Corinthians 6:12:“I have the right to do anything,” you say–but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”–but I will not be mastered by anything.
Please help, i love boxing and i would really appreciate if you would think hard for me on the issue of the morality of boxing.
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Bookcat
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If some forms of boxing are *moral *–then there would be no moral conflict per se with what Paul notes there.“Moralists generally have doubted the morality of professional boxing, of the bull-fighting popular in Hispanic culture, of speed racing, and of various kinds of stunting in which there is serious risk of death or grave bodily injury.”
~ Fr. Benedict Ashley OP
pg 306 “Living the Truth in Love, a Biblical introduction to Moral Theology” 1996
(Fr. Benedict Ashley was professor of Theology at the Aquinas Institute of Theology, highly respected author of several text and countless articles on moral theology. A consultant for the Committee on Doctrine of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and a senior fellow of the Pope John Center of Medical Ethics. He was honored with the Pro Ecclesia medal from Bl. Pope John Paul II)
(Note Bene the term “professional” there. The criticisms others too have in this thread seem to be aimed at that level or kind of boxing with all its multiple head shots etc I imagine moral theologians can discuss any difference between “professional boxing” and other kinds of boxing -I do not have personal knowledge really of either…but I note this for there are likely various distinctions that can be made theologically)
Your confessor too can assist one in judging particular questions.
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Timi_Celcer
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Please can someone answer my question. I really need help on this.
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Bookcat
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See above.Please can someone answer my question. I really need help on this.
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Timi_Celcer
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Please help. Can somebody answer?
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Sky_River
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If you ask me, boxing is not a sin.Please can someone answer my question. I really need help on this.
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james_bridges
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boxing is a sport which very often can take young men(and women) who are ill disciplined,ill mannered and disrespectful,and turn them into superfit young athletes with goals in life and good moral standards.
boxing is a very demanding sport,where the goal is to beat the opponent,using skill,ring craft and wits.enormous discipline is needed right from the earliest days of training at amatuer boxing clubs.
boxing clubs throughout the world can provide young kids and teenagers who may have low self esteem and difficult upbringings with a real sense of worth,and often turn these kids into better members of society.
the sport itself can be brutal,admitedly,and certainly is not to everyones taste,but boxing is nowhere near the worlds most dangerous sport.
is it a sin?mmm,surely not,but it certainly is a tough old game.
jim.b england.
boxing is a very demanding sport,where the goal is to beat the opponent,using skill,ring craft and wits.enormous discipline is needed right from the earliest days of training at amatuer boxing clubs.
boxing clubs throughout the world can provide young kids and teenagers who may have low self esteem and difficult upbringings with a real sense of worth,and often turn these kids into better members of society.
the sport itself can be brutal,admitedly,and certainly is not to everyones taste,but boxing is nowhere near the worlds most dangerous sport.
is it a sin?mmm,surely not,but it certainly is a tough old game.
jim.b england.
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tomarin
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No, it’s not a sin. But it is dangerous. That’s my take at least.Please help. Can somebody answer?
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