Is calling Popes Leo XIII vision a "rumor" discounting God's miracles?

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personally, i believe it. but many on here have said that Pope Leo XIII’s vision was a “rumor.”

i made some posts that werent of good taste and i see the error in my thought. but i cant help but think isnt calling a vision the Pope had a rumor pretty much discounting the miracle of God? Some may say the vision was horrifying, but in my personal opinion its a miracle because God is letting us know what we are in for.
 
Well, it IS a rumor. It’s a very clever little story, but it didn’t happen.

Discounting God’s miracles would be like saying that the Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes disn’t happen.(but it DID)

If it didn’t happen, saying it’s untrue(telling the truth!) does nothing to discount God’s miracles.
 
how was it proven that is was a rumor?

i mean if that vision Pope Leo XIII came out of his mouth, and people refer to it as a “clever story” or “rumor” isnt that kind of refering to him as a liar.

i mean if the Pope collapsed, had a vision, made up a prayer and told us about it, i’d believe him.

is there more to this that im missing.

the greatest trick satan ever did was get people to believe he doesnt exist.
if he is persuading the Catholic Church what better way to out do his greatest trick then to make the Catholics believe he isnt attacking them.
 
FR Saunders seems to believe it

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Pope Leo XIII (d. 1903) had a prophetic vision of the coming century of sorrow and war. After celebrating Mass, the Holy Father was conferring with his cardinals. Suddenly, he fell to the floor. The cardinals immediately called for a doctor. No pulse was detected, and the Holy Father was feared dead. Just as suddenly, Pope Leo awoke and said, “What a horrible picture I was permitted to see!” In this vision, God gave Satan the choice of one century in which to do his worst work against the Church. The devil chose the 20th century.

So moved was the Holy Father from this vision that he composed the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel: “St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle! Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan, and all the other evil spirits who roam about the world seeking the ruin of souls.” Pope Leo ordered this prayer said at the conclusion of Mass in 1886. (When Pope Paul VI issued the Novus Ordo of the Mass in 1968, the prayer to St. Michael and the reading of the “last gospel” at the end of the Mass were suppressed.)

St. Michael figures prominently in the Rite of Exorcism, particularly in the case of diabolical infestation of places. Here the priest prays: “Most glorious Prince of the Heavenly Army, Holy Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle against the princes and powers and rulers of darkness in this world, against the spiritual iniquities of those former angels. Come to the help of man whom God made in his own image and whom he bought from the tyranny of Satan at a great price. The Church venerates you as her custodian and patron. The Lord confided to your care all the souls of those redeemed, so that you would lead them to happiness in Heaven. Pray to the God of peace that he crush Satan under our feet; so that Satan no longer be able to hold men captive and thus injure the Church. Offer our prayers to the Most High God, so that His mercies be given us soon. Make captive that Animal, that Ancient Serpent, which is enemy and Evil Spirit, and reduce it to everlasting nothingness, so that it no longer seduce the nations.”

In the Spring of 1994, our Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, urged the faithful to offer the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel. He also made the strong suggestion that the recitation of the prayer be instituted at Mass once again. (Note that the Holy Father did not mandate the recitation of the prayer at Mass.) Clearly, the Holy Father was responding to the grave evils we see present in our world — the sins of abortion, euthanasia, pornography, fornication, child abuse, terrorism, genocide and the like. Without question, Satan and the other fallen angels are doing their best to lead souls to Hell. We need the help of St. Michael.
 
\(When Pope Paul VI issued the Novus Ordo of the Mass in 1968, the prayer to St. Michael and the reading of the “last gospel” at the end of the Mass were suppressed.)\

**Actually, the Last Gospel was suppressed before 1968. And before the Tridentine Missal was promulgated, it was a sacristy devotion. (I’m saying nothing against it as such, but simply giving some historical facts.)

And let’s clarify. The Leonine Prayers (including the prayer to St. Michael) were NEVER included in the Altar Missal, and were never part of the Mass. They are called “Prayer to be said AFTER Low Mass”–and even not always then.

I think one of the reason there is such longing for them was that they were VERNACULAR devotions swimming in a sea of Latin liturgy, and therefore were so beloved.

But with the Liturgy in the vernacular, there is no need to supplement the Liturgy with popular vernacular prayers.

Again, I’m saying nothing against them. And there’s nothing to stop a person from saying either the Last Gospel or Lenonine prayers privately aftewards.

Finally, I’ve read a lot that support the idea that Pope Leo XIII had a frightening vision and therefore instutited the Leonine prayers is nothing more than an urban legend. For one thing, their original intention was for the temporal sovereignty of the Holy See and Papal States, which were being diminished by the unification of Italy. The Roman Question, as it was called, was settled by the Latern Treaty (1929?) under Pius XI, who changed their intention to the “conversion of Russia.”**
 
redrosetea said:
FR Saunders seems to believe it

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Pope Leo XIII (d. 1903) had a prophetic vision of the coming century of sorrow and war. After celebrating Mass, the Holy Father was conferring with his cardinals. Suddenly, he fell to the floor. The cardinals immediately called for a doctor. No pulse was detected, and the Holy Father was feared dead. Just as suddenly, Pope Leo awoke and said, “What a horrible picture I was permitted to see!” In this vision, God gave Satan the choice of one century in which to do his worst work against the Church. The devil chose the 20th century.

So moved was the Holy Father from this vision that he composed the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel: “St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle! Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan, and all the other evil spirits who roam about the world seeking the ruin of souls.” Pope Leo ordered this prayer said at the conclusion of Mass in 1886. (When Pope Paul VI issued the Novus Ordo of the Mass in 1968, the prayer to St. Michael and the reading of the “last gospel” at the end of the Mass were suppressed.)

St. Michael figures prominently in the Rite of Exorcism, particularly in the case of diabolical infestation of places. Here the priest prays: “Most glorious Prince of the Heavenly Army, Holy Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle against the princes and powers and rulers of darkness in this world, against the spiritual iniquities of those former angels. Come to the help of man whom God made in his own image and whom he bought from the tyranny of Satan at a great price. The Church venerates you as her custodian and patron. The Lord confided to your care all the souls of those redeemed, so that you would lead them to happiness in Heaven. Pray to the God of peace that he crush Satan under our feet; so that Satan no longer be able to hold men captive and thus injure the Church. Offer our prayers to the Most High God, so that His mercies be given us soon. Make captive that Animal, that Ancient Serpent, which is enemy and Evil Spirit, and reduce it to everlasting nothingness, so that it no longer seduce the nations.”

In the Spring of 1994, our Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, urged the faithful to offer the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel. He also made the strong suggestion that the recitation of the prayer be instituted at Mass once again. (Note that the Holy Father did not mandate the recitation of the prayer at Mass.) Clearly, the Holy Father was responding to the grave evils we see present in our world — the sins of abortion, euthanasia, pornography, fornication, child abuse, terrorism, genocide and the like. Without question, Satan and the other fallen angels are doing their best to lead souls to Hell. We need the help of St. Michael.
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Along with FR Saunders, I believe Pope Leo’s vision is true as well and that the twentieth century is/was indeed the century of Satan.

God bless you.
 
If the vision is true, then it is a private revelation.
No one is bound by private revelation, you can accept or dismiss it.
 
(Moderators ask us not to bump up a thread that is over a year old 🙂 )
 
beehumble said:
Along with FR Saunders, I believe Pope Leo’s vision is true as well and that the twentieth century is/was indeed the century of Satan.

God bless you.
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beehumble,

If you wish to discuss this topic it would be better to start a new thread instead of reviving 2 and 3 year old threads with members who don’t even post any more.
 
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