Is Canon 1099 an Easy Annulment?

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rcwitness said:
Sorry i disagree. A child should not be kept in the dark about that kinda mistake made by his parents. And when he publicly criticizes the Church tribunal’s decission, and disrespects his parents, the right thing to do is help him understand how their particular impediment did not allow the Sacrament to be conferred on one another.

Mistakes should not be perpetually shamed.
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It is nobody’s business to know except the people in the marriage. Not the children, not you, to “help him understand.”
 
Irishmom2 said:
It is nobody’s business to know except the people in the marriage. Not the children, not you, to “help him understand.”
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Would you also agree in the case of a previously married couple, it isn’t even up to the “guilty” party to explain themselves to the “innocent” one and visa versa?
 
My OP was quite different than this sub-topic.

I asked a genuine question to a troubled poster. The accusation that it was rude is counterproductive.

To offer endless “what if” situations is impossible to contend with.

I respect your explanation and opinion. But i have not been rude to anyone. Misconceptions about annulments are all over the place.

Im not suggesting to exploit someone’s troubled life or past. But im also not doing what i would criticize if someone asked me about.

I may very well have to inquire about the validity of my marriage. But i am not ashamed to share how Jesus and His Church offer healing, despite a severe lack of help from clergy and fellow Catholics. Though I do have good Catholic friends too.
 
Cecilia_Dympna said:
What about just mental illness or learning disabilities? Not partic severe. Or the early stages of dementia, not diagnosed yet? Many situations where a person has no ability to consent.
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So these could receive an annulment without possibility of remarriage?
 
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Wouldnt the details already be assessed and the conclusion made that one or both spouses is incabable of consenting to Christian Marriage?

Why would they then be free to Marry afterwards?
 
YourNameHere said:
Marriage is for life.

Annulments are wrong.

Try to justify annulment any way you want. But what God has joined together, let no one put asunder. Amen
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You have it exactly right here. Thank you for your clear thinking on this. Many annulments are just divorces in a dishonest way, at least that is what Cardinal Kasper seems to have said.
 
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So, let me see if I have this right.

I got a lack of firm, not an annulment because my marriage was not done in the Catholic church even though I am Catholic as is my ex-wife, but on her end she has denounced the church.

My wife divorced me because she wasn’t happy with me and wanted out. Nothing I could do or say was going to stop her once she initiated. I didn’t want the divorce, but I had to participate in the divorce, otherwise the repurcussions would have been many in regards to my kids.

So, according to you if I am reading all this right, I cannot find another to marry, even though I am the innocent party? I have to be miserable the rest of my life because for me to not have female companionship of the most intimate kind means I live a miserable life because I am a divorced man, who was divorced by his wife. And even though I followed the church’s procedure, and obtained a lack of form which according to the church releases me from my ex-wife because we didn’t have a sacramental marriage.

Did I say that about right?
 
YourNameHere said:
Marriage is for life.
Annulments are wrong.
Try to justify annulment any way you want. But what God has joined together, let no one put asunder. Amen 🙏
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You forgot the “except on Porneia” part…

And the Pauline privilege…
 
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rcwitness said:
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YourNameHere:
Let me ask you a question…My parents attained an annulment 25 years after they were married. 25 years? After 25 years and three children, they attained an annulment.
Please explained to me how this is right?
If there is such a thing as sanctity of marriage, then why do we need annulments?
Spin it how you will.
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If you dont mind me asking, what was their “impediment”?
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Why do you think they would have told their child the grounds for the finding of nullity?
 
But of course, if there’s a decree of nullity, it means God did not join them together.
 
YourNameHere said:
Let me ask you a question…My parents attained an annulment 25 years after they were married. 25 years? After 25 years and three children, they attained an annulment.

Please explained to me how this is right?

If there is such a thing as sanctity of marriage, then why do we need annulments?

Spin it how you will.
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I agree with your observations about annulments. IMHO, it is more honest to say, as the Eastern Orthodox do, that this is just a church approved divorce. They were married for 25 years, but now they want to get a divorce for some reason or another, and the church approves it.
 
Then the answer would be “I dont know, I was never told.”

Then my reply would be something like, “Then how do you know the Marriage was valid?”

Its ok to ask questions people…
 
About sensitive, personal issues that are very much traumatic for the person?

I mean… I guess you have a different definition of ‘ok’
 
rcwitness said:
Then the answer would be “I dont know, I was never told.”

Then my reply would be something like, “Then how do you know the Marriage was valid?”

Its ok to ask questions people…
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To ask questions like “whats your favorite breakfast place” or “what was your favorite homily” but most people are smart (and kind) enough to not ask even if they are curious when it’s inappropriate. I’ve said on here that I’m a non-infant adoptee. Most people have the tact and decorum not to ask all the questions that pop to the top of their head. Thank goodness.
 
One has to weigh the two things here. Which is more important?
  1. learning the specifics of an annulment and satisfying curiosity
  2. Dredging up (or not) horrible memories of a traumatic, horrid time in one’s life.
 
JulianN said:
What is your evidence for these “careless” and “frivolous” grantings of decrees of nullity?
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Statistics show that that Catholics in the US total only 7% of the world’s Catholics but 84% of all annulments are in the US.
That shows it is easy to get an annulment in the US and that US Catholics do not try as hard as the rest of the world for couples to work out issues and stay together!
It seems highly likely that many couples collude to make an annulment easier!
 
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