Is Canonization of popes for name sake? And what about Mother Teresa?

[Erundil]

what actually distinguishes those canonized saints

God Himself through the Holy and One Catholic Church recognise them publicly:

1. for greater glory of Himself, the lives of saints are always pointed at Him. Always.
2. for salvation of many, by us following the lives of those saints
3. as a statement of the Church that the person certainly enjoys the Beatific Vision of Heaven with Christ

We don’t know why He chooses some people and other not. It’s his Reign, his Plan. Not our.

Also, It’s not like Catechism is hidden from you — IT’S ALL THERE.

 

[3335]

Yeah , you are right. He just talk about politics in the Church and in the United States nothing else.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

You do know that the Church has an extremely rigorous investigation process for canonizing saints, right? Including reading everything they wrote while alive, interviewing persons with knowledge of them, reviewing historical records where appropriate, and having independent medical experts review any alleged medical miracles said to have been obtained through the saint’s intercession.

Are you aware of this process? Have you read up on it at all? There is a ton of information about it on Wikipedia, free for anyone to access.

Your posts are coming across not only as disrespectful, but also like someone who has very little idea of what goes into making someone a canonized saint in the last few centuries. Huge numbers of holy people don’t even begin to make the cut because we don’t have enough information about their lives to do a proper investigation.

 

[pnewton]

So…it comes back to the fact that some process must be used which would justify in the light of day why a Pope canonized a saint or else it’s all a crap shoot as far as faith goes.

As far as whose faith goes? Yours? That part of the discussion should take place in the apologetics section, or non-Catholic religions, as canonizations is sooooo far down the doctrinal trail from the initial question of authority.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with what you are saying, only that there can be no reasonable discussion of what happens at the Vatican without common agreement first on what happened at Caesarea Philippi.

 

[Erundil]

@aitapyh
Seems like you want some answers from us, but you want to insult us even more.

This is pointless, answers are to find everywhere (as a matter of fact even right in this thread, there is also CCC and internet).

I doubt anyone have time to respond to your multi-point accusations and teasing.

Your basic problem here is denying that Holy Ghost is in the Catholic Church and steers it in the way He want.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Given the tone of your post, I don’t think it’s prudent to continue discussing with you further, as it doesn’t seem to meet forum standards for civility and respect of Catholic teaching.

Have a nice evening.

 

[pnewton]

pnewton:

only that there can be no reasonable discussion of what happens at the Vatican without common agreement first on what happened at Caesarea Philippi.

Hmmm…this is something to consider. Thanks for your thoughts.

I thought it a nice twist. At one time I posted on a site about Protestant theology. It was interesting, and all those who follow Christ are my brothers and sisters. I have an advantage though in speaking from that theological perspective, as that is my initial upbringing, and my educational training. I did so without anyone considering me a papist, proselytizing, or other wise getting out of line.

So I hope you enjoy it here, but it might prove a minefield. I try to be very careful, even then I sometimes catch a dash of snark before I hit “Save.”

Back to the topic, think how the discussion would be about Peter if we had the internet and a glut of information, rumor and innuendo in the First Century. His canonization would meet with a ton of criticism, even though it was Jesus Himself who chose him. God does not think like the world.

 

[Erundil]

But as I’ve said, Catholics put those of us non Catholics in the untenable position of not being offensive

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just to remind you:

then like I said…a crap shoot

why a Pope canonized a saint or else it’s all a crap shoot as far as faith goes.

This kind of thinking is what’s gotten the Catholic Church into so many “controversies” in the first place.

Do we snip the sainted acts out of the whole in order to cover the perversion in the icing of sainthood?

then you’d have to believe God said so his self that human beings should torture other human beings in order to forcefully get them to recant their beliefs and love God. Talk about irony.

its a political rather than strictly spiritual process.

Perhaps you’ve already answered this I’ve not read the entire thread.

Another testament to uncharitable behavior of some people on here who claim to love Jesus but don’t act in accordance with that belief.

You yourself have done this.

Why is this how non Catholics are treated on here by so many of you?

 

[pnewton]

Perhaps I can apply a little Saints 101 to shed some light on the topic. There are two reasons a person is canonized. The first, is that they are believed to be in Heaven. That is easy enough. Indeed, there are far more saints in Heaven by order of magnitude than will be canonized. So there needs to be a second reason, namely, that they offer some example to inspire the Church today. There is no doubt being well known aids in being canonized, but as pointed out, that has nothing to do with how God sees us. Some of the highest exalted saints will be those no one has heard of, much less been canonized.

But what of the two under discussion here? Mother Teresa gave her life to help others, the poorest of the poor. Perhaps some of these are with her, or more greatly exalted in Heaven. That is God’s deal. For us, she serves as an example of our responsibility to the poor.

St. John Paul, risked his life to become a priest, studying for the priesthood when getting caught meant death. There could be several things we could look to that he did, so I will just point out what I look to him for inspiration. He shows us that even the elderly and infirm are of great value to God. Working in his final years despite his Parkinson’s, up until his death.

So we believe these two to be in Heaven, see them as witnesses to hope, and they have been canonized.

 

[Anesti33]

I agree with Bearself:

The criterion for sainthood is that the subject lived a life of heroic virtue. That’s what the Church needs to determine. Not whether they sinned too much, not a low number of black marks on their bureaucratic record, not their taste in ice cream, not a popularity contest to see how many people can pray to them. Simply their ability to intercede from Heaven in the case of miracles, and/or their holy martyrdom at the point of death, and living a life of heroic virtue.

Speaking for myself personally, Pope St. John Paul the Great lived such a life of heroic virtue that his deeds will redound to the glory of the Church for thousands of years hence. I was not a faithful Catholic for some years he was reigning, but when I returned, he immediately became my personal hero, and the more I found out about the man, the more amazed I was at his sanctity and scholarship. He is a towering figure, and rightly deserves the titles “Great” and “Doctor of the Church”.