Is Catholic Apologetics Too American?

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This bothered me recently. It seems that most of the prominent figures in Catholic apologetics living today (including this website) are Americans. Most often than not American Catholic apologists are more outspoken about defending the faith; and it seems that the approach of defending our faith ithe only prominent non-American apologist I know of is Matt Fradd.

Which raises a point of doubt:
We follow a universal faith, that’s why our church is called the Catholic Church. So why can’t we expand our apologetics to allow different cultural perspectives on how to defend the faith and the teachings of the Church? Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling for relativism. It’s just that defending the universal faith using one particular cultural or national perspective is kind of… limiting.

For example, I stumbled upon this AAA question about dealing with non-negotiable issues in Sweden:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=489759&highlight=parliament
The current apologetics book on taking on non-negotiables is within an American, presidental-system context. What about those faithful Catholics in Europe, where most of the forms of government are parliamentary in nature, who want to decide who to vote and be sure that the people they vote for won’t subscribe to a non-negotiable issue?

Or in the case of my country, the Philippines, sociologists note that a form of Catholicism has evolved in the centuries since the first Christian missions by the Spaniards: folk Catholicism. This form of Catholicism arose when the missionaries tried to connect the animist elements of the previous faith to the one they’re proselytizing, thus unintentionally making some sort of syncretic mixture religion of animism and Catholicism which became popular among the masses over time. An example of this is how an ordinary Filipino devotee in one of the cities would, on the surface, offer up devotion to a saint, but in reality is depending upon the statue of the saint because he or she believes it has healing powers. If anything this can be a case brought up by Evangelical Protestants who want to attack the Catholic devotion to the saints. I think this phenomenon is also prominent in Latin American and the Caribbean as well.

So does anyone think limiting Catholic apologetics to an American perspective is a problem? Do you think we should allow different cultural perspectives while in light of the teachings of the Church? Or is an American perspective enough, since in this globalized world American culture seems to dominate?
 
Here’s something to consider - Back in the 300-400s the Catholic church was far too Roman 😃

This has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Throughout time various world super powers have come and gone. Right now, Americans have a lot of wealth so are more likely to be able to establish a prominent role in, well, ANYTHING. Be it politics, religion, philosophy etc.

So to answer your question - no the Catholic Church is not too American. No matter what the superpower will always have a greater sway over global society. That’s just a fact of life and is not specific to the Catholic Church.

Anyway, just my thoughts on the subject. Hope it’s helpful!
 
I agree with OP.
Catholics need to come to full awareness that they are Catholics living in various countries, and that they are not citizens of various countries who have Catholic affiliation.

American is a “people”.
Pilipino is a “people”
Italian is a “people”
Swede is a “people”.

Catholic is the “People” dispersed in the world living in the midst of all the above “peoples”.
 
CatholicWhovian said:
This bothered me recently. It seems that most of the prominent figures in Catholic apologetics living today (including this website) are Americans. Most often than not American Catholic apologists are more outspoken about defending the faith; and it seems that the approach of defending our faith ithe only prominent non-American apologist I know of is Matt Fradd.

Which raises a point of doubt:
We follow a universal faith, that’s why our church is called the Catholic Church. So why can’t we expand our apologetics to allow different cultural perspectives on how to defend the faith and the teachings of the Church? Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling for relativism. It’s just that defending the universal faith using one particular cultural or national perspective is kind of… limiting.

For example, I stumbled upon this AAA question about dealing with non-negotiable issues in Sweden:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=489759&highlight=parliament
The current apologetics book on taking on non-negotiables is within an American, presidental-system context. What about those faithful Catholics in Europe, where most of the forms of government are parliamentary in nature, who want to decide who to vote and be sure that the people they vote for won’t subscribe to a non-negotiable issue?

Or in the case of my country, the Philippines, sociologists note that a form of Catholicism has evolved in the centuries since the first Christian missions by the Spaniards: folk Catholicism. This form of Catholicism arose when the missionaries tried to connect the animist elements of the previous faith to the one they’re proselytizing, thus unintentionally making some sort of syncretic mixture religion of animism and Catholicism which became popular among the masses over time. An example of this is how an ordinary Filipino devotee in one of the cities would, on the surface, offer up devotion to a saint, but in reality is depending upon the statue of the saint because he or she believes it has healing powers. If anything this can be a case brought up by Evangelical Protestants who want to attack the Catholic devotion to the saints. I think this phenomenon is also prominent in Latin American and the Caribbean as well.

So does anyone think limiting Catholic apologetics to an American perspective is a problem? Do you think we should allow different cultural perspectives while in light of the teachings of the Church? Or is an American perspective enough, since in this globalized world American culture seems to dominate?
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St. Gabriel Communications is a very prominent Australian force in global Catholic apologetics.

I’m not sure about other countries, but I’m guessing there are more if we just knew their languages.
 
I agree with the OP also.

Inculturation is a principle of the Church.

This site, however, is American so I expect an American POV. Sometimes, though, I find that the political worldview of Americans is translated into the religious worldview.
 
Does apologetics tend to be more “activist” in Anglo-Saxon heritage cultures than perhaps elsewhere?
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
Does apologetics tend to be more “activist” in Anglo-Saxon heritage cultures than perhaps elsewhere?
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Perhaps everything is more activist in anglo cultures. I say this because I think anglos have a long history of activism, street preaching, stump speeches, and popular social movements.

But I only say that because I see lots of it in anglo history. I can think of similar examples of activism in non-anglo history as well, and thus I think there is probably a significant amount of activism among non-anglo countries as well, if only we knew their languages well enough to search for it.
 
One of the great things to come out of the Synod was the emergence of the strong orthodox voice of the African bishops.
 
CatholicWhovian said:
This bothered me recently. It seems that most of the prominent figures in Catholic apologetics living today (including this website) are Americans. Most often than not American Catholic apologists are more outspoken about defending the faith; and it seems that the approach of defending our faith ithe only prominent non-American apologist I know of is Matt Fradd.

Which raises a point of doubt:
We follow a universal faith, that’s why our church is called the Catholic Church. So why can’t we expand our apologetics to allow different cultural perspectives on how to defend the faith and the teachings of the Church? Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling for relativism. It’s just that defending the universal faith using one particular cultural or national perspective is kind of… limiting.

For example, I stumbled upon this AAA question about dealing with non-negotiable issues in Sweden:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=489759&highlight=parliament
The current apologetics book on taking on non-negotiables is within an American, presidental-system context. What about those faithful Catholics in Europe, where most of the forms of government are parliamentary in nature, who want to decide who to vote and be sure that the people they vote for won’t subscribe to a non-negotiable issue?

Or in the case of my country, the Philippines, sociologists note that a form of Catholicism has evolved in the centuries since the first Christian missions by the Spaniards: folk Catholicism. This form of Catholicism arose when the missionaries tried to connect the animist elements of the previous faith to the one they’re proselytizing, thus unintentionally making some sort of syncretic mixture religion of animism and Catholicism which became popular among the masses over time. An example of this is how an ordinary Filipino devotee in one of the cities would, on the surface, offer up devotion to a saint, but in reality is depending upon the statue of the saint because he or she believes it has healing powers. If anything this can be a case brought up by Evangelical Protestants who want to attack the Catholic devotion to the saints. I think this phenomenon is also prominent in Latin American and the Caribbean as well.

So does anyone think limiting Catholic apologetics to an American perspective is a problem? Do you think we should allow different cultural perspectives while in light of the teachings of the Church? Or is an American perspective enough, since in this globalized world American culture seems to dominate?
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There are pageas outside the US. They just aren’t as well funded. This page theotokos.org.uk/pages/cathlink/apologet.html has quite a number. I can’t vouch that they are all good so some sifting may be required.
 
The answer might be because of Capitalism…I can’t think of an American Catholic Apologetic who does not peddle books, DVDs, CDs, speaking engagements, and the like.

Rather than the emphasis on apologetics, I would much rather see the emphasis on Catechesis.
 
I don’t think Catholic Apologetics is “too American” because if it was it would be Protestant. American is NOT a Catholic nation, despite it being the largest “denomination” because Protestants as a whole outnumber Catholics by almost 3:1.

However, with this said, I think the reasons why it seems “American” is because of some of the following:
  1. Most of us only visit English speaking apologetics sites.
  2. American is the richest nation in the world and has a large Catholic, minority, population (aneki.com/richest.html). American also donate more money to charity than anyone else. Therefore, our Catholic apostolates are far better funded.
  3. With 78.2 million baptized members, it is the largest religious denomination in the United States, comprising 25% of the population. The United States has the fourth largest Catholic population in the world, after Brazil, Mexico and the Philippines, the largest Catholic minority population, and the largest English-speaking Catholic population. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States and pewforum.org/2013/02/13/the-global-catholic-population/)
  4. The United States is the largest English speaking nation in the world, by far. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population). And hence the largest English speaking Catholic population by far.
  5. In traditional “Catholic countries,” apologetics isn’t needed as much because they have less of a “Protestant threat.” Those countries need to focus more on Evangelization and Catechizing, as they lose members to secularism & atheism vs. Protestantism. Even though they suffer from big-time Cafeteria Catholicism, Catholicism is still a fundamental part of their national culture. But in the United States, our large Catholic population is a minority (the largest Catholic minority in the World) and orthodox Catholic teaching & disciple often run against America’s Protestant culture. Hence apologetics is needed more here than in some other parts of the world to teach what the Catholic Church really believes to Catholics and non-Catholics alike.
I believe because of these reasons (which are most likely only some of the reasons), Catholic Apologetics seems to be “American.”

God Bless.
 
dmar198 said:
What is your evidence?
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The question was “Does apologetics tend to be more “activist” in Anglo-Saxon heritage cultures than perhaps elsewhere?”

My answer was - yes, when comparing Anglo-Saxon to Central European and Asian culture. My evidence is only personal experience having lived in respective parts of the world for many years.

It is my personal, subjective opinion. I think it is influenced by the strong Evangelical fundamentalist view of Christianity, particularly in the US. This has spilled into other English-speaking countries, Canada, England, South Africa, Australia and even New Zealand.
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
Does apologetics tend to be more “activist” in Anglo-Saxon heritage cultures than perhaps elsewhere?
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I would say so. It would seem that many Catholics in other cultures hit the bases, but don’t delve further. I know in Ireland there is no Religious Ed for kids, except for Sacramental Prep, which can be quite sketchy by American standards. Traditionally Catholic countries such as Mexico as well…just focus on liturgy and devotions. Not a lot of formation. When the come here, they are kind of overwhelmed by the requirements, the documentations, the classes that must be attended. In Mexico, you pay the fee, and you’re good to go. Show up in a fancy outfit.
My Irish hubs always says “Clare, I wish we had had classes and catechists like the ones you guys offer here. It might have kept my buddies in the church longer.”
He finds the whole notion of formation fascinating, and he laments not having it in his youth. He remembers being educated by Christian Brothers…and “if they were good”…they could skip religion class and play outside, or put their heads down for a quick nap.
People need to remember: if your youngsters are not in religious ed, they ARE getting formed by popular culture, celebrities, and the internet.
 
Hans_W said:
The question was “Does apologetics tend to be more “activist” in Anglo-Saxon heritage cultures than perhaps elsewhere?”

My answer was - yes, when comparing Anglo-Saxon to Central European and Asian culture. My evidence is only personal experience having lived in respective parts of the world for many years.
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Thank you. I hope that I don’t come across as contrarian in this thread, but when I read back through my posts, I think I come across that way at least to me. Perhaps I’ve got something subconscious going on that’s putting me in a bad mood or something. I’m trying to simply ask questions in order to find common ground and, in cases like yours, so that I can learn more.

I am usually pretty good at finding stuff out on my own. And I’m only aware of a few non-American apologetics groups. What I usually do when I’m not aware of something I want to know is, I google it. So I googled Catholic apologetics Spanish, because Spain and Mexico were the first non-American places I thought of. I found some stuff, but they were basically just American articles about how to find Spanish language apologetics articles. A few of those articles refer readers to Spanish apologetics resources that are seemingly small and not very influential.

I also found some Spanish language apologetics websites, but they don’t seem influential. They seem almost like personal blogs of non-influential individuals. This seems to suggest that apologetics material in Spanish is not very influential, which seems to agree with the assumption of the OP. But I don’t trust myself; maybe I’m looking in the wrong places for influential Spanish Catholic apologetics, and of course what’s true in Spain isn’t necessarily true in Germany, France, India, etc.
 
CatholicWhovian said:
This bothered me recently. It seems that most of the prominent figures in Catholic apologetics living today (including this website) are Americans. Most often than not American Catholic apologists are more outspoken about defending the faith; and it seems that the approach of defending our faith ithe only prominent non-American apologist I know of is Matt Fradd.

Which raises a point of doubt:
We follow a universal faith, that’s why our church is called the Catholic Church. So why can’t we expand our apologetics to allow different cultural perspectives on how to defend the faith and the teachings of the Church?
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It’s NOT “why can’t” we expand our apologetics to other cultures. Nobody is stopping anybody from defending the faith.
C:
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not calling for relativism. It’s just that defending the universal faith using one particular cultural or national perspective is kind of… limiting.

For example, I stumbled upon this AAA question about dealing with non-negotiable issues in Sweden:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=489759&highlight=parliament
The current apologetics book on taking on non-negotiables is within an American, presidental-system context. What about those faithful Catholics in Europe, where most of the forms of government are parliamentary in nature, who want to decide who to vote and be sure that the people they vote for won’t subscribe to a non-negotiable issue?
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For clarification, the Church isn’t a democracy, nor is it in the American presidential style of government.
C:
Or in the case of my country, the Philippines, sociologists note that a form of Catholicism has evolved in the centuries since the first Christian missions by the Spaniards: folk Catholicism. This form of Catholicism arose when the missionaries tried to connect the animist elements of the previous faith to the one they’re proselytizing, thus unintentionally making some sort of syncretic mixture religion of animism and Catholicism which became popular among the masses over time. An example of this is how an ordinary Filipino devotee in one of the cities would, on the surface, offer up devotion to a saint, but in reality is depending upon the statue of the saint because he or she believes it has healing powers. If anything this can be a case brought up by Evangelical Protestants who want to attack the Catholic devotion to the saints. I think this phenomenon is also prominent in Latin American and the Caribbean as well.
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Have you been to Fatima Portugal on the feast of Our Lady of Fatima? I have. 1 million at mass. :). The statue of Our Lady is elevated and carried on peoples shoulders for procession. People from all over the world are in attendance.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608045834855188053&pid=15.1&w=204&h=115&p=0
C:
So does anyone think limiting Catholic apologetics to an American perspective is a problem?
Do you think we should allow different cultural perspectives while in light of the teachings of the Church? Or is an American perspective enough, since in this globalized world American culture seems to dominate?
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I’ve never heard of apologetics being limited to an American perspective. That would presume someone is limiting it…agreed?

Who would that be?
 
steve_b said:
It’s NOT “why can’t” we expand our apologetics to other cultures. Nobody is stopping anybody from defending the faith.

For clarification, the Church isn’t a democracy, nor is it in the American presidential style of government.

Have you been to Fatima Portugal on the feast of Our Lady of Fatima? I have. 1 million at mass. :). The statue of Our Lady is elevated and carried on peoples shoulders for procession. People from all over the world are in attendance.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608045834855188053&pid=15.1&w=204&h=115&p=0

I’ve never heard of apologetics being limited to an American perspective. That would presume someone is limiting it…agreed?

Who would that be?
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I don’t think anyone is limiting anything.
Those who are interested in Theology should be educated, well read, and start working!
People in other countries are generally amazed that the US Bishops are pushing religious education. Other countries could do the same, and publish and promote their local theologians. If they have any. Who’s stopping them?
 
pianistclare said:
People in other countries are generally amazed that the US Bishops are pushing religious education.
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Actually Peter made education a top priority. Note:Education is 2nd on Peter’s list.

2 Pet 1:5 For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall; 11 so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
12 Therefore I intend always to remind you of these things, though you know them and are established in the truth that you have. 13 I think it right, as long as I am in this body,d] to arouse you by way of reminder, 14 since I know that the putting off of my bodye] will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. 15 And I will see to it that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things.

and notice those atributes that we are to add to our faith, must be ever increasing. IOW don’t stop increasing in those attributes, or one’s faith as he says will fail.
 
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