Is Catholic.org Catholic?

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I just realized I was looking at your join date, rather than the date your question was originally posted. My apologies.

I think the problem/issue still remains, though. In the spirit of ecumenism, those faiths who choose not to use the deuterocanon in their Bible are certainly entitled to make that choice. However, missing those books, on a *Catholic *website no less, makes me wonder also…
 
unkajonet said:
I just realized I was looking at your join date, rather than the date your question was originally posted. My apologies.

I think the problem/issue still remains, though. In the spirit of ecumenism, those faiths who choose not to use the deuterocanon in their Bible are certainly entitled to make that choice. However, missing those books, on a *Catholic *website no less, makes me wonder also…
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***Hi, unkajonet!

…no problem… I thought that you may have been aware of the site containing the errors for that length of time…

…I think that that has become the norm… anyone can set up a site and call it “Catholic” or link anything to a Catholic site and claim they are “furthering the Faith…” either Catholics are too accommodating or do not care enough to challange what they find no matter how inaccurate it may be…

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
Hello again, jcrichton

It could very well be the norm…

The way I usually look for new websites is to start from a website I already trust. I think I have a better chance of finding a good link.

As much as I am online, though, I prefer the heft and feel of the Holy Bible in my hand. So I usually don’t spend a lot of time looking at Scripture via the internet.

I imagine that other non-Catholic Christian sites encounter similar issues…people putting the Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness Bibles on their sites, etc.
Also - there are twice as many Catholics in the world as there are people of other Christian faiths. It’s only in the US that the ratio is reversed. Just the sheer size of the Catholic faithful makes it difficult to guard every ‘portal’.
 
anthony022071 said:
He may be a saint among the Byzantines,but not with the whole Church.
Some Ukrainian churches oppose his veneration.
Even in the Byzantine Catholic Church there is opposition to his sainthood and theology.

The point of reference for all things universally applicable in the Catholic Church is the church of Rome. Rome has not canonized him,so he is not a saint for the whole Church.
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Aren’t you begging the question here? We have a saint on our calendar who we venerate in the Byzantine Church. It does not matter if he is not a universal saint. If he is on our calendar as a Saint, he is a Catholic Saint, even if he is not venerated by the whole Church. We are Catholics!

And it is not the Church of Rome as a Church, but it is the teaching ministry of Peter, the Holy See, that is authoritative for all Catholics.

All Churches are of equal dignity. This is magisterial teaching. My Church is an autonomous Sui Iuris Church, with its own canon law and Metropolitan Bishop.Our Bishop is in Union with the Holy See; we are not suffragrans of the Roman Church.

The Catholic Church is not the Roman Catholic Church; it is the Catholic Church, a communion of 21 Churches, who are union with the See of Peter. The Roman Catholic Church is only one of these 21 Churches, albeit the largest and most well known.

I am not a Roman Catholic, I am a Greek (Byzantine) Catholic. But I am a Catholic.
 
unkajonet said:
Hello again, jcrichton

It could very well be the norm…

The way I usually look for new websites is to start from a website I already trust. I think I have a better chance of finding a good link.

As much as I am online, though, I prefer the heft and feel of the Holy Bible in my hand. So I usually don’t spend a lot of time looking at Scripture via the internet.

I imagine that other non-Catholic Christian sites encounter similar issues…people putting the Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness Bibles on their sites, etc.
Also - there are twice as many Catholics in the world as there are people of other Christian faiths. It’s only in the US that the ratio is reversed. Just the sheer size of the Catholic faithful makes it difficult to guard every ‘portal’.
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***Hi, unkajonet!

I undestand what you are saying… but the OP’s site was referred by a Catholic site and I’ve followed links from other Catholic sites that lead to anti-Catholic/Christian messages… when queried they simply respond that they cannot control what is being presented on that other site… :eek:

Wow… send to Iceland and call it the most populated nation in the world! 😛

…if they are minimalists, the least they could do is query their other users to determine if mine was an isolated incident… but to simply quote jargon and continue to display a questionable link… that just goes beyond my idea of responsibility! :rolleyes:

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
lanceg said:
…I am not a Roman Catholic, I am a Greek (Byzantine) Catholic. But I am a Catholic.
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***Hi, lanceg!

I am ignorant on many issues, so please understand that my query is genuine…

I am not familiar with the various Catholic Churches… do you use the same Bible as the Jerusalem (or a version as such)?.. if not, could you pm a list of the Books yours includes?

Thank you!

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
Hi jcrichton,

I totally agree! That why it pays to do what you’re doing: keeping a diligent eye, and asking a lot of questions.

Also, it doesn’t hurt to have somebody at your local church you can talk to about stuff like this. Either a priest, or a DRE (Director of Religious Education). Lord knows how many questions I asked about translations before I found a Catholic-approved Bible that worked for me. Sometimes speaking to someone who is dedicated and compensated to know helps you wade through a lot of inaccurate stuff.
 
jcrichton said:
***Hi, lanceg!

I am ignorant on many issues, so please understand that my query is genuine…

I am not familiar with the various Catholic Churches… do you use the same Bible as the Jerusalem (or a version as such)?.. if not, could you pm a list of the Books yours includes?

Thank you!

Maran atha!

Angel***
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Angel,

thank you for your question, it is not ignorant at all.

Yes, we use the Jerusalem Bible, the New American Bible, the Revised Standard Version, Confraternity, Douay, and any other Bible that Catholics use. Myself, I like the Douay-Rheims and Confraternity the best, but use the others at well. We have the same canon of the Bible as Roman Catholics, because we are united to the Chair of Peter.

Our Gospel book at my parish uses an emended edition of the Confraternity Bible, and our Epistle book the New American Bible. Probably most of our Churches use the New American, with English speaking Byzantine churches outside of the US using the Jerusalem, just like most Roman Catholic Churches.

For an overview of all of the Eastern Catholic Churches, click on this link:

An Overview of the Eastern Catholic Churches

My Church is the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church.
 
unkajonet said:
…Also, it doesn’t hurt to have somebody at your local church you can talk to about stuff like this. Either a priest, or a DRE (Director of Religious Education). Lord knows how many questions I asked about translations before I found a Catholic-approved Bible that worked for me. Sometimes speaking to someone who is dedicated and compensated to know helps you wade through a lot of inaccurate stuff.
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***Hi, unkajonet!

…you’re correct… I have several Bibles (hard-copy) at home; two were given to me my Priests and my preferred Bible, the Jerusalem Bible, was the preferred Bible of two nuns which I worked with (one of them had hers for over thirthy years) so I thought I was in good company… a couple of years ago I learned that that is also the preferred Bible of Mother Angelica (EWTN)–I just wish I could get a reprint (or e-Bible) of my original (French ed '75), which contains loads of concordance and notes.

I am thinking of searching for an e-book or contacting those who already have e-Bibles to see if they would allow me to use their system to transcribe the JB so that I may have easy access while on-line! :hmmm:

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
lanceg said:
Angel,

thank you for your question, it is not ignorant at all.

Yes, we use the Jerusalem Bible, the New American Bible, the Revised Standard Version, Confraternity, Douay, and any other Bible that Catholics use. Myself, I like the Douay-Rheims and Confraternity the best, but use the others at well. We have the same canon of the Bible as Roman Catholics, because we are united to the Chair of Peter.

Our Gospel book at my parish uses an emended edition of the Confraternity Bible, and our Epistle book the New American Bible. Probably most of our Churches use the New American, with English speaking Byzantine churches outside of the US using the Jerusalem, just like most Roman Catholic Churches.

For an overview of all of the Eastern Catholic Churches, click on this link:

An Overview of the Eastern Catholic Churches

My Church is the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church.
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***Hi, lanceg!

Thank you for your response and for the links–I’ve downloaded the page and will be checking them out ASAP.

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
jcrichton said:
***Hi, unkajonet!

…you’re correct… I have several Bibles (hard-copy) at home; two were given to me my Priests and my preferred Bible, the Jerusalem Bible, was the preferred Bible of two nuns which I worked with (one of them had hers for over thirthy years) so I thought I was in good company… a couple of years ago I learned that that is also the preferred Bible of Mother Angelica (EWTN)–I just wish I could get a reprint (or e-Bible) of my original (French ed '75), which contains loads of concordance and notes.

I am thinking of searching for an e-book or contacting those who already have e-Bibles to see if they would allow me to use their system to transcribe the JB so that I may have easy access while on-line! :hmmm:

Maran atha!

Angel***
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Hey there jcrichton,

If you find an online copy, please let me know. I know that the NJB is supposed to be markedly different than the JB. I’d love to take a look through it.
 
jcrichton said:
…Does anyone has knowledge of a direct connection to the site’s founders/owners?..
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WHOIS information for: catholic.org:
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jcrichton said:
When searching for an on-line Catholic Bible I was offered the following link:
catholic.org/bible/

I placed it on my “favorites” and have had been using it for a while… one day I discovered that 1st and 2nd Thessalonians were missing… I gave it no thought. Later on I discovered that they have also excluded: Tobit, Judith, 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) and Baruch.

Recently, I e-mailed them asking for the reason why these 9 books were omitted–I was more forceful than that.

Has anyone visited this site or others like it that purport to supply a Catholic Bible but do not?
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Try : whereinthebible.org/

I’m pretty sure this is a catholic bible. 😉
 
Leopard said:
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***Hi, Leopard!

Thanks for the info… guess my task is just began! 🤷

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
The_Confused_1 said:
Try : whereinthebible.org/

I’m pretty sure this is a catholic bible. 😉
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***Hi, The Confused!

…you know, for some one who’s confused you certainly came up with a great site! 😛

…just placed it on my favorites!

…it is the Catholic Bible… but it is the most advanced on-line Catholic Bible that I’ve seen–it even has a special “users pref verses” section.

Thanks so much… I am usually copying and pasting from the DR on my computer (or transcribing from my NJB)… 👍

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
lanceg said:
Aren’t you begging the question here? We have a saint on our calendar who we venerate in the Byzantine Church. It does not matter if he is not a universal saint. If he is on our calendar as a Saint, he is a Catholic Saint, even if he is not venerated by the whole Church. We are Catholics!

It certainly should matter,because he was not in communion with the Church and was hostile toward its teaching authority. We’re Catholics on account of the communion of faith which has Rome as the point of reference on all doctrines,but Gregory Palamas was not of this communion.

And it is not the Church of Rome as a Church, but it is the teaching ministry of Peter, the Holy See, that is authoritative for all Catholics.

Yes,that’s what I was referring to.

All Churches are of equal dignity. This is magisterial teaching.

Only the Church of Rome has responsibility over the whole Church.
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jcrichton said:
***Hi, The Confused!

…you know, for some one who’s confused you certainly came up with a great site! 😛

…just placed it on my favorites!

…it is the Catholic Bible… but it is the most advanced on-line Catholic Bible that I’ve seen–it even has a special “users pref verses” section.

Thanks so much… I am usually copying and pasting from the DR on my computer (or transcribing from my NJB)… 👍

Maran atha!

Angel***
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Heh heh. 🙂 I’m glad I could be of service. I must say, I was confused back when I made this account, but I have learned much here on these forums. I don’t think I’m as confused anymore. 😉
 
jcrichton said:
***Hi, Leopard!

Thanks for the info… guess my task is just began! 🤷

Maran atha!

Angel***
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anthony022071 said:
lanceg;3272611:
Aren’t you begging the question here? We have a saint on our calendar who we venerate in the Byzantine Church. It does not matter if he is not a universal saint. If he is on our calendar as a Saint, he is a Catholic Saint, even if he is not venerated by the whole Church. We are Catholics!

It certainly should matter,because he was not in communion with the Church and was hostile toward its teaching authority. We’re Catholics on account of the communion of faith which has Rome as the point of reference on all doctrines,but Gregory Palamas was not of this communion.
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And it is not the Church of Rome as a Church, but it is the teaching ministry of Peter, the Holy See, that is authoritative for all Catholics.

Yes,that’s what I was referring to.

All Churches are of equal dignity. This is magisterial teaching.

Only the Church of Rome has responsibility over the whole Church.

Anthony, I am sorry, but you are simply wrong about Palamas.

You will have to take your argument up with the Holy See, not me. It is with complete approval of the Holy See Palamas is on our calendar.

No one says you have to venerate him or pray to him, but I do, we do, and we will honor him the Second Sunday of Great Lent as we always do.
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