Is Catholic Social Teaching Inherently Liberal?

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Phil Lawler,Editor of Catholic World News and Catholic World Report has a very interesting and informative article at the following link, re the subject of this post:

catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=318

(The Holy Father, of course, is a member of neither political party of the United States, and it is very clear that—like every authentic Catholic thinker—he is perfectly capable of transcending the conservative-liberal dialectic - i.e. the mistaken notion that everything must always be either left or right)
 
“For far too long, students in Catholic schools and subscribers to diocesan publications have heard only one side of what could and should be a lively debate about the implications of Catholic social teaching.” It seems obvious to me that it is simply a mistake to assume that Catholic social teaching goes into the Democratic Party basket. The Church has always been strong on the principle of subsidiarity; the Democratic Party, never.

And it is beyond apparent that a party which formally embraces the killing of the most helpless among us cannot have credibility with handling any aspect of Catholic social teaching.
 
Lawler addresses an important topic. I agree with him on some issues, not on others.

First, I do not see given the dimensions of America’s social ills, lack of national healthcare,
inadequate housing for millions, income disparity, that local charities are a viable means of addressing and remedying these problems. Charity certainly has its place, but it is not a primary place. The Church should support a national effort to address these problems. The Church should not actively involve itself in programs which violate fundamental catholic beliefs, but where it can get involved and where it can support such programs, it should.

Subsidiarity is an important instrument in getting people involved in helping themselves. And aside from the broad instruments of government programs, there will be plenty of opportunity for the Church to partner with community organizations and local governments.

The liberal/conservative paradigm is tiresome. Just what is liberal? What is conservative? Definitions please. I do believe this however: on issues of social justice, for a long, long time, the Republican Party has not been there. On the other hand, 50, 60, 70, years ago the Democratic Party made a good partner in promoting social justice. On some issues it still does. But the Party for many decades now has been moving in the wrong direction. Secularism has given way to anti-religious fervor. Utter disdain and scorn is shown for morality, for dignity of life, for the sanctity of the family. The Church simply will have to pick and choose its partners based on the issue and the circumstances of the moment.

God Bless.
 
The liberal/conservative paradigm is tiresome. Just what is liberal? What is conservative? Definitions please. I do believe this however: on issues of social justice, for a long, long time, the Republican Party has not been there. On the other hand, 50, 60, 70, years ago the Democratic Party made a good partner in promoting social justice. On some issues it still does. But the Party for many decades now has been moving in the wrong direction. Secularism has given way to anti-religious fervor. Utter disdain and scorn is shown for morality, for dignity of life, for the sanctity of the family. The Church simply will have to pick and choose its partners based on the issue and the circumstances of the moment.

Good Bless.
Yes, the Church should disregard the political labels of liberal and conservative, because even their definitions change over time. For a long time, the USCCB acted as if it were the religious arm of the Democratic Party. When the Democratic Party became the party of abortion, many bishops began opposing pro-abortion candidates, many of whom were, of course, Democratic. Now, because of the focus on abortion, people think the Church is throwing its weight to the GOP. But it isn’t. The Church must be true to its own teachings in this matter, both on abortion and on social justice.

It would be good for Catholic schools to re-emphasize the study of the Social Encyclicals from Rerum Novarum forward.

What has mostly driven the debate is not the Church, but the shocking extent of the abortion holocaust which began in 1973, and seeks to normalize itself on the back of social justice issues.
 
First, I do not see given the dimensions of America’s social ills, lack of national healthcare,
inadequate housing for millions, income disparity, that local charities are a viable means of addressing and remedying these problems.
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inadequate housing for millions? what is the source for this claim? and what should the government do about it? and at what level is housing deemed to be adequate?

income disparity? are you suggesting that everyone receive the same wage regardless of task and education? why should someone flipping burgers get the same wage as a teacher or a truck driver or a CEO? yes, people need a living wage, but i’ve known too many people that just have their hand out because they don’t feel like working. what should their wage be and who should pay it?

national healthcare? as a country we are already in debt to the next 4 or 5 generations. shall we go for 6 or 7 to “fund” national healthcare?
Charity certainly has its place, but it is not a primary place.
what is the place of charity?
But is it self-evident that the effort to fight poverty should be waged through impersonal government programs, supported by mandatory taxation, rather than by the freewill offerings of charitable donors?
 
yes
the social justice person at my church is very inherently liberal. during the month of april all of the social justice articles in the bulletin were about earth day. earth day? yes we are to be good stewards of God’s creation, but the earth is God’s creation, it is not to be elevated to something higher than the Creator. and that is the purpose of earth day, to elevate the earth to a god.
 
Yes, the Church should disregard the political labels of liberal and conservative, because even their definitions change over time. For a long time, the USCCB acted as if it were the religious arm of the Democratic Party. When the Democratic Party became the party of abortion, many bishops began opposing pro-abortion candidates, many of whom were, of course, Democratic. Now, because of the focus on abortion, people think the Church is throwing its weight to the GOP. But it isn’t. The Church must be true to its own teachings in this matter, both on abortion and on social justice.

It would be good for Catholic schools to re-emphasize the study of the Social Encyclicals from Rerum Novarum forward.

What has mostly driven the debate is not the Church, but the shocking extent of the abortion holocaust which began in 1973, and seeks to normalize itself on the back of social justice issues.
It is not only the abortion controversy. The Democratic Party is the close ally of the Homosexual and feminist movements, whose views of human nature are antithetical to that of the Church. Furthermore, the Democratic Party has become more and more hostile to Christianity. Its supporters more and more mock Christianity in all its traditional forms.
 
It is not only the abortion controversy. The Democratic Party is the close ally of the Homosexual and feminist movements, whose views of human nature are antithetical to that of the Church. Furthermore, the Democratic Party has become more and more hostile to Christianity. Its supporters more and more mock Christianity in all its traditional forms.
You are absolutely right. It has become, not just the pro-abortion party, but the anti-Christian party. I can’t understand why Catholics have stayed with it while its values have taken a sharp turn not only away from, but in opposition to, Catholic standards.
 
To all: Interesting and, I think, fruitful feedback, in the main. To those who seemed to ‘focus on’ the Dem / Repub (or even primarily the political) labels as the key, it was my interpretation that the essay was making the opposite point…i.e. the social teaching of the Church may, in our times, have become inherently ‘liberal’ in a not so good sense of the word and, because of the way we now operate, becomes in the minds of so many, automatically “Democratic” (party). The author’s point, I felt, (illustrated by the blurb about the Holy Father) was that the authentic social teaching of the Church has and always needs to rise above and transcend that. The prima facia bit that the libs throw out there simply indicates their desire to ‘own’ this social teaching (which, of course, they do not)

Whoever reminded us that ‘liberal’ is a label is correct - but the liberals have ‘labeled’ it (the social teaching) as such as part of their claim on it.

I think it’s ‘prima facia’ (to steal their phrase viz this issue) that by hijacking, in so many ways, the social teaching of the Church (as the author was trying to point out), they also, “prima facia” associate it with and claim it teaches all manner of other ‘liberal’ agendas (as a poster pointed out - i.e. feminism, gay rights, etc., etc.) One other part they weave into the social teaching of the Church, which it really does not support, is the ‘seamless garment’ idea - i.e. that you cannot be pro-life unless you are also in favor of all kinds of other ‘social issues’ (of the lib’s definition and choosing) that make relativity the name of the game. For the libs, the Church’s social teaching contains no intrinsic evils, no hierarchy of rights or issues, and so does not recognize the right to life as primary and essential to all other rights…

Also, I think the liberal agenda (be it Democratic or whatever else) considers just about anything/everything they ‘desire’ to be a civil right which really gums up the works.

The Church’s social teaching is based on the Gospel and the word/command of Jesus - primary among which is charity, love of God, love of others for the sake of love of Him. These are ‘virtues’ and transcendant concepts which should motivate our care for the poor and those less fortunate; they are not political agendas or political motivators.

Love of God, charity towards our fellows and a holy preference for the poor, per our Saviour’s example and command, can never include helping women obtain abortions, encouraging the use of conctraception, legtimizing the conjugal union of homosexuals, or expecting the federal Gov’t to take over those acts and actions of charity that Jesus assigned to (and expects of) us.

In an interesting fantasy, I imagine the final reality of the Gospel story, foretelling the judgment in the story of the sheep and the goats…I can’t imagine our Lord telling us to enter into the Father’s kingdom because the federal government visited Him in prison, gave Him water when He was thirsty,fed Him when He was hungry or clothed Him when He was naked - and you can take the health care issue and use Jesus’ lesson of the Good Samaritan. However we want to tweak that story for our modern times, I believe the key ingredient of Jesus’ lesson was still that WE care for each other…not that we find some way to ‘institutionalize’ the care of the poor, beaten man so our personal involvement is nil.

We sure don’t all have to be Mother Teresa, but, on the other hand, what benefit is it to our souls and our purification if we don’t, ourselves, somehow enter into the care and love of the poor?

:confused:
 
It is not only the abortion controversy. The Democratic Party is the close ally of the gay and feminist movements, whose views of human nature are antithetical to that of the Church.
I agree with all of that except for th feminist bit. There are different feminist movements. There was the actual women’s rights movement, which let them vote and the like. This isn’t bad. However, now you have some people that call themself feminist despite supporting stuff that is degrading to women, like abortion and changing the definition of marriage.
 
No, it is not Liberal. Liberals want the government to do it all, where Jesus said:

“And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: 22 Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? 23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me? 24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s. 25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s.”

Here, Jesus clearly, makes a seperation of Church & State.

So, Catholics and Liberals MAY agree on certain social justice issues, but their means to the end’s are very different. Jesus calls on people, not government, to do the Lord’s work.

Liberals are devils in disguise. The road they choose, will lead to Hell, like most good intentions.
 
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There was the actual women’s rights movement, which let them vote and the like. This isn’t bad. However, now you have some people that call themself feminist despite supporting stuff that is degrading to women, like abortion and changing the definition of marriage.
And they accomplish the degrading stuff, by voting. Funny how that works.
 
And they accomplish the degrading stuff, by voting. Funny how that works.
:confused: are you still grouping all feminists into one bucket?
every group, men and women, have different buckets of good and bad.
getting the right to vote did not bring about the radical feminist movement
 
chewchoo;
are you still grouping all feminists into one bucket?
yep
every group, men and women, have different buckets of good and bad.
getting the right to vote did not bring about the radical feminist movement
Most women who vote, vote Democrat. The “radical” feminist movement, supports the Dems. Pro abortion folks, support Dems. Most pushing for gay marriage, are women. Gay marriage is supported by the Dems. More women on welfare. Welfare is highly supported by Democrats. And, more black women on welfare. The overwhelming majority of blacks support Democrats.

So yea, I see it all intertwined. Yep.
 
Lawler addresses an important topic. I agree with him on some issues, not on others.

First, I do not see given the dimensions of America’s social ills, lack of national healthcare,
inadequate housing for millions, income disparity, that local charities are a viable means of addressing and remedying these problems. Charity certainly has its place, but it is not a primary place. The Church should support a national effort to address these problems. The Church should not actively involve itself in programs which violate fundamental catholic beliefs, but where it can get involved and where it can support such programs, it should.

God Bless.
I disagree totally with this. It was the charitble work of the Church that for so long took care of the misfortunate. govt assumed this role, wholly unnecessarily and has steadily injected itself as the supreme entity, replacing God and His moral code. The federal govt is now the source of all rights, real or imagined, and relativism is the norm. When the Church central to daily life, familiies produce less societal problems than those whose focus is unguided by Christian principles. imh (and unscientific) o.
 
No, it is not Liberal. Liberals want the government to do it all, where Jesus said:

"And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: 22 Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? 23 But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me? 24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s. 25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s."

Here, Jesus clearly, makes a seperation of Church & State.

So, Catholics and Liberals MAY agree on certain social justice issues, but their means to the end’s are very different. Jesus calls on people, not government, to do the Lord’s work.

Liberals are devils in disguise. The road they choose, will lead to Hell, like most good intentions.
Excellent post toughguy!

I can’t understand how so many Catholics have the teachings of the Church wrong! First off, most should realize that the Old Testament, teaches us how “we” as a society are to behave…while it is the Second Testament that teaches us how “we” as INDIVIDUALS are to behave.

But sadly, so many Catholics want to throw out the Old Testament and mistakenly take the teachings of Christ out of context and apply them to governments and societies, when in fact they apply to each ONE of us…not all of us collectively as a group.

The government is here only to provide an environment where each of us can flourish in safety. Meaning, the government’s job is to PROTECT its people…NOT PROVIDE for them. Especially because WITHOUT the people, the government owns NOTHING and has no ability TO provide!!
 
Phil Lawler,Editor of Catholic World News and Catholic World Report has a very interesting and informative article at the following link, re the subject of this post:

catholicculture.org/commentary/articles.cfm?id=318

(The Holy Father, of course, is a member of neither political party of the United States, and it is very clear that—like every authentic Catholic thinker—he is perfectly capable of transcending the conservative-liberal dialectic - i.e. the mistaken notion that everything must always be either left or right)
Its not a matter of Left or Right…its a matter of RIGHT and WRONG, period!
 
chewchoo;

yep

Most women who vote, vote Democrat. The “radical” feminist movement, supports the Dems. Pro abortion folks, support Dems. Most pushing for gay marriage, are women. Gay marriage is supported by the Dems. More women on welfare. Welfare is highly supported by Democrats. And, more black women on welfare. The overwhelming majority of blacks support Democrats.

So yea, I see it all intertwined. Yep.
most does not equal all
 
chewchoo;
most does not equal all
Very true. MOST women don’t have abortions. Perhaps we should give up the fight.

My point is, is that because MOST women vote that way, then they are helping to push the MOST horrible, Liberal, un American, un Catholic legislation.

Not all votes are needed to pass a law, but a majority, or MOST, determine if it passes or not.

Not all Germans were Naizs, but MOST, were. Should we have had them fill out a questionaire, before we bombed them?
 
chewchoo;

Very true. MOST women don’t have abortions. Perhaps we should give up the fight.

My point is, is that because MOST women vote that way, then they are helping to push the MOST horrible, Liberal, un American, un Catholic legislation.

Not all votes are needed to pass a law, but a majority, or MOST, determine if it passes or not.

Not all Germans were Naizs, but MOST, were. Should we have had them fill out a questionaire, before we bombed them?
okay toughguy
instead of talking in abstract terms, why not provide some numbers?
how many is “most”? 51%? 99%? 75%?
and while you are getting what percentage of women voters voted democratic also provide what percentage of men voters voted democratic.
 
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