Is Catholicism losing relevance in today's world?

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and do not want anyone to correct them or cause them to have guilt.
Isn’t that the truth, the denial of guilt from ones own sin which the law is written in the heart. If they just stop talking about it maybe it will evaporate. The only evaporation occurring is the gift of Grace in a by large Christian West, then evil by nature must become more evil.
 
I disagree and absolutely believe the world hates Jesus, Christians and any true moral authority. People want to do what they want to do and do not want anyone to correct them or cause them to have guilt.
While certain individuals reject all moral authority, I’m not sure that’s a fair generalization.

Some non-believers define morality on worldly terms. In that regard, a code of ethics exists but is shaped by observable consequence (I suspect that sexual values are prone to deteriorate because practical harm is hard to see. Similarly, the rights of the unborn are tossed aside because direct harm to those who stand and speak isn’t easily seen). Naturally, Catholicism is as false to them as paganism is to us, hence their hatred of its values being “imposed”.

Others are severely misguided to believe that “modern” values allow for the greater good while traditional positions are ultimately wrong, even immoral.

Without an objective, greater truth to abide by (we can only trust that the Lord knows best), a moral crisis is bound to emerge. Personal observation and reason can only go so far.
 
The world doesn’t hate Jesus.
A lot of people loathe what many do and have done in his name, so very true. A lot don’t believe he’s divine, or agree with his beliefs–yes.
But I wouldn’t say he, Jesus, is specifically “still so hated by the world”–or ever really was.

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Yes, he is and they also hate the church he founded to keep us on the right path to holiness. (Yes, people in the church have sinned. Yes, they need to be punished.) But, this is an excuse to hate the church Jesus founded to help us on our path to holiness and union with God the Father. People look for excuses to live a free life-style(sex, drugs, power, greed, love of material things…) and if anyone or anything keeps pecking at their consciences then it is something to be hated and avoided and degraded… if you want to be in the in-crowd!
 
No, it isn’t “prohibitively expensive to raise children.” Children are blessings and raising them is the most worthy endeavor of a lifetime. What could compare? Also, the world is not overpopulated.
The developing world is still overpopulated, and humanity is not in danger of becoming extinct. This is fearmongering.
There is no such thing as homosexual marriage and the status of those in homosexual relationships is not normal.
As we are learning more about gender and sexuality, and we realize that homosexuality is normal in a certain percentage of the population. Therefore we can normalize the idea of homosexual marriage in our law.
What a truly, truly sad statement. There is so much more to life than financial status. The joy of marriage and children is priceless and money is just money.
Ideally yes, but finances play a big role in marriage, and money is the number one cause of divorce. People MUST look at the financial aspect, and the role finances play in the viability of marriage, when thinking about marriage. The fact that it is possible to be solvent and single has contributed to the rise of divorces. That is a fact.
Another truly sad statement. Marriage is a lifelong commitment and only death can end a marriage.
I don’t see Jesus preaching that one must suffer through a bad marriage for life. Jesus did not come to place hell on earth.

You didn’t respond to my point on postmodernism (#6). Do you agree?
Being a mom is the best title ever. The rewards are priceless. A career title goes with the deceased and matters not at all.
Oh please. Pregnancy is a form of suffering? What a truly bizarre notion.
That’s nice, but motherhood is not for everyone. And yes, pregnancy is suffering for 9 months. Why is it that when men and women joke about who has it worse, that women always play the “At least men don’t get pregnant and have periods” card?

Pregnancy is also a health risk. See this thread by Avocadomom. Sad that the Magisterium does not have easy answers for this. Protestantism does.
People are flawed. That is true. But, the Truths of the Church remain.
What good is a truth when no one practices it? It is no secret that most Catholics contracept and support gay marriage rights.
Nobody is being denied civil rights. There is no such thing as homosexual marriage.
That is why it is imperative to create homosexual marriage as a legal concept.
That is true and is a tragic reflection of the twisted culture we live in. We are well on the same path as Rome and are swirling the drain.
No, it is not twisted, it is the fight for equality and civil rights that makes up the history of the world.
 
Can you name a few scientists who agree that the world is overpopulated? The Population Research Institute (pop.org) says that the developed world is undergoing a demographic winter, the opposite of overpopulation. I don’t know of any scientists who disagree; can you name some?
Simple reading shows that the developing world is still overpopulated.
I don’t think that any laws are founded on secular reasons because there is no secular foundation for right and wrong. What do you think?
Also, the Declaration of Independence says in the prologue that a nation’s laws are only just if they are founded on “the laws of nature and nature’s God.” And God says it is a sin to practice homosexuality. What do you think of that argument?
The Declaration is referring to a generic idea of God, not necessarily the God in the Bible.
God says children are a blessing. About staying married, God says, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her.” Mark 10:11. Don’t you think it’s reasonable for people to follow what God says?
Except in cases of marital unfaithfulness, in Mark 10:11. Yes, children are a blessing, but not a command.
Postmodernism is killing children in the womb. Is that peaceful or coexistent? Christianity teaches that you should protect the right to life. It also teaches that you should not force anybody to believe in Christianity, but you should believe in it yourself. Don’t you think that’s a reasonable basis for peace?
I think these arguments ignore the child’s right to life. I think the child and the mother both have a right to life and good health, and doctors should do what they can to keep both of them healthy. I don’t think any reason gives a person the right to take an innocent person’s life. Don’t you think that’s reasonable?
Yes, we should protect the health of women by protecting them from the health risks of pregnancies. Jesus never came to bring hell on earth to women, by forcing them to carry out their pregnancies.
I think we can go to the Scriptures for an answer to this argument. The Bible prophesied that the Church would have great sinners – Acts 20:29-30. We’re not supposed to respect their actions. But we are supposed to follow the Church’s teachings. The Bible tells us that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth – 1 Timothy 3:15. From this it seems to me that we should follow the Church’s teachings, but when priests commit crimes, they should be treated like other criminals. Don’t you think that’s a reasonable interpretation of the Bible?
The church that Jesus founded is the twelve disciples, not the Catholic Church in Rome. It is possible that Jesus is the Rock, and not Peter. In addition, even if Jesus founded the Catholic Church, it is clear that the Church has lost its way and that Jesus is no longer present in it. It is possible that Jesus is now present in the Protestant churches…
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Jennie1964:
I’m a Protestant, but even I know the relevance of the Catholic Church; and believe me when I say that it is more relevant now than it ever has been.
Please admit, it is possible to be a “good”, Bible-believing Protestant and support abortion and gay marriage rights, and to not have to follow all of the Magisterium’s teachings, and not have to take part in the Sacraments the way the Catholics do, right?
Captain America:
NO, actually the opposite is true. The kind of post-Enlightenment decline we are experience points EXACTLY to Christianity as vital and essential to smart human beings who naturally desire a real point and purpose to life.
What decline?
 
Hmmm…I’ll bite:
1a) Only if you’re selfish
1b) No, the world is not overpopulated…that is a myth used by people to devalue life
Not a myth. The developing world is still overpopulated.
2&3) Newsflash: men and women are different, and thus complimentary. Put two married heterosexuals in a room together for a year, and you have a chance of finding a baby with them at the end of that time. Put two gay people in a room together for a year, and there is ZERO chances of finding a baby with them at the end of that time. Read a biology book if you don’t understand.
Extend adoption to gays to take care of the excess of foster children in this world. Job done.
  1. Only makes sense if you’re selfish
  2. Only makes sense if you’re selfish
  3. No, just quit being selfish
  4. Not for my wife, and unselfish people
The reality is that humans are selfish. That’s Darwinian evolutionary biology.
  1. Driving a car is more of a risk…perhaps we should not allow women to drive
Must… resist… sexist… joke! 😃
  1. Obviously a bigoted, uninformed statement. The Church fixed the problem. The real risk for sex abuse of children is in the public school system…If you are really against child sex abuse post a thread about the public school system.
Ask the Irish if the Church fixed the problem. They are leaving in droves.
  1. Only if you re-define “civil rights” and re-define “hate”. I think we should rail against the United Negro College Fund because they are denying my “civil right” to a scholarship because I’m white. Why do they hate me so much??? We should also rail against the Air Force because they are denying me my “civil right” to fly a fighter jet because I don’t meet the physical requirements. Why do they hate me so much??
Flying a jet and scholarships are not fundamental rights as defined in the Constitution. Marriage and determining how to raise one’s child are.
  1. What does support or non-support of same sex unions have to with selling chicken, cars, widgets?
Ask the former CEO of Mozilla. Ask the wedding planners and bakers who have been sued. Ask former NBA player Tim Hardaway. Ask Miss California runner-up Carrie Prejean (who turned out to be involved in a sex scandal of her own!).
 
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oldcatholicguy:
Now why is it becoming more expense to raise children? Could the unfair distribution and access to resources have anything to do with this? I guess killing children is the correct answer and calling for a fair distribution and access to resources (you know, the stance the Church takes) is the wrong one.
We need both fair distribution AND contraceptive methods.
You don’t have a high regard to homosexuals do you? I’m asking because your above pretty much reduces homosexuals to being people who can’t control their sexual urges. I assume this is why you don’t understand that the Church has no issue with homosexual people (being a homosexual or having SSA isn’t immoral) but with homosexual acts (which are immoral, just like a heterosexual engaging in sex outside of marriage).
No, I have a high opinion of them and you do not. Your argument fails logic because if the Church allows heterosexual sex, then does that mean that the Church believes that heterosexuals cannot control their urges?
Kind of covered in my response to point 2, but I would like to point out that from a biological (i.e. science) viewpoint homosexuality isn’t the norm, it’s a natural abnormality. Would you also like to discuss other normal human beings that are denied the right to marry?
And once again, I’m saying that we now know that homosexuality is normal in a certain % of the population. Even the Catechism states that the genesis of this is unknown.
That’s always been the case and last I checked the main focus of marriage hasn’t ever been financial incentives.
No, but finances have a great deal to do with the viability of marriage.
It’s called self control. The internet has made it, incredibly easy, and it will only get easier in the future, to engage in all sorts of illegal activities (fraud, identity theft, stalking, etc). Would that mean it’s a “tall order” to expect people not to engage in these activities?
We are rethinking the way we prosecute drug crimes, if at all.
Yeah, because it has worked so well so far.
Postmodernism is working just fine in Western Europe, Canada, Australia, and Latin America.
Do you hate women? I’m asking because your above pretty much seems to have no issue with women having to conform to an economic system (careers) that is designed for men. One would think someone who doesn’t hate women would call for this economic system to be changed to support one of the main unique differences between women and men instead of wanting women to act like men with bigger breasts.
You are the bigot. Why is this economic system designed for men? Why can’t women participate in it?
Seriously, do you hate women? Women shouldn’t be forced to go through pregnancy either equates to women shouldn’t be allowed to have sex or that women are so incompetent that they shouldn’t be held responsible for the natural and expected outcome of sex (possibility of pregnancy).
No. Because it is unreasonable to deny sex to people, contraception is the responsible way to protect against the expected outcome, which is pregnancy and STDs.
You think the sex scandal is the worse scandal to ever occur in the Church? Um, ok.
No it’s not, but it’s the latest one of too many.
Apparently freedom of religion is no longer a civil right.
Not if it interferes with the rights of the nonreligious.
Why is this? Because certain people call for the denial of civil rights to some based on those individual’s religious beliefs?
No, because gays are a definite subset of our population and are here to stay. In America they are as common as Asian-Americans (5%). Should people be allowed to reject them from their businesses simply because they feel like it? It’s not based on religion. It’s based on hate. Nothing in the Bible supports such rejection. Would Jesus do this? Governor Brownback of Kansas (himself a Catholic) was correct to oppose such a law that would allow this hate.
 
In today’s modern culture in which:
  1. It is prohibitively expensive to raise children, and the world is becoming overpopulated;
  2. We are learning more about gender and sexuality, and we realize that homosexuality is normal in a certain percentage of the population, and therefore there are no longer any secular reasons to deny marriage rights to gay couples;
  3. More and more people are acquainted with a gay person and realize that gays are normal human beings, and should not have to suffer from denial of right to marriage;
  4. There are no longer any financial incentives for people to stay married or to have children, and it is possible to be financially solvent and successful living alone;
  5. Lifespan is increasing and it’s a tall order to remain committed to one partner for life;
  6. Postmodernism is the only way to ensure peace and coexistence in a diverse society in which not everyone is Christian;
  7. Women have careers and pregnancy is a major impediment to women’s careers;
  8. Pregnancy is a form of suffering to women and is a health risk, and women should not be forced to go through it;
  9. The Magisterium is no longer trusted because of sex scandal and historical scandal;
  10. Denying civil rights to certain classes of people is a form of hate, and societies that have exercised civil tolerance have continued to flourish and maintain high standards of living.
  11. It is now impossible to maintain work or business if you do not support gay marriage rights;
Can we admit that Catholic teachings on abortion, sex, marriage, and contraception are losing relevance in today’s modern world?
Absolutely not. It is precisely now, when so many are tricked into believing many of the lies that you state above, that we need the Church to proclaim the Truth loudly and without apology. I only hope that I am able to counter-act the lies of modern society in my children’s minds so that they do not experience the loneliness and emptiness that such lies have cause in my own life. I will pray for you, also, that you come to see how the Truth is relevant to bringing you a life of happiness and peace.
 
To the original poster:

From your questions, you tell me that you have bought into the beliefs of post-Christian-era thinking, ie humanism and possibly hedonism. If you subscribe to either of those “isms”, then of course the Church has lost her relevance. Any church will lose its value in the eyes of a post-Christian society.

But the point is, as other posters have said, it is not the Church that is losing relevance, but rather the world is losing its proper perspective on mankind’s role. The Westminster Shorter Chatechism (and I imagine also the Catholic chatechism), asks the question, “What is the chief end of man?” And the answer is, “Man’s chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him for ever.” If the world actually asked the right questions, they’d realize that the answers are held by the church.

I’m a Protestant, but even I know the relevance of the Catholic Church; and believe me when I say that it is more relevant now than it ever has been.
Great post Jenny!!👍
 
We need both fair distribution AND contraceptive methods.
You still have issues with your above- First your argument is based on the assumption that the world is overpopulated, please prove this. Second you now have to deal with the added assumption that a fair distribution of resources (which given your inclusion of it with contraception means you do view it as a major factor on the your overpopulation assumption) would not solve your assumed overpopulation problem. Third your solution is based on the assumption that the moral and logical method of solving this overpopulation is to limit the number of births instead of limiting the number of people using resources and taking up space (i.e. killing off the old people instead of the young)-please prove.

No, I have a high opinion of them and you do not. Your argument fails logic because if the Church allows heterosexual sex, then does that mean that the Church believes that heterosexuals cannot control their urges?
The Church allows all heterosexual activity, or just those heterosexual activities that are open to life and are within the confines of marriage? Big difference between your faulty understanding of what the allows in regards to heterosexual sex and what it actually teaches.

And once again, I’m saying that we now know that homosexuality is normal in a certain % of the population. Even the Catechism states that the genesis of this is unknown.
There is also a certain part of the population that are sociopaths. The problem with how you are trying to use the term “normal” is that it can be used to defend pretty much anything as “normal”. Homosexuality is “normal” in that it seems to occur naturally, it is not “normal” in that it contradicts the evolutionary development of our sexual reproduction systems. Homosexuality is a normal (occurs naturally) abnormality (runs counter to the biological purpose of sexual reproduction used by our species).

As for the CCC- it address the issue in a completely different manner than what you are trying to use. The focus of the CCC is morality. X% of the population being or doing something has no impact on something being moral. The CCC states that being a homosexual (which it states is a disorder) isn’t immoral, but engaging in homosexual activity is immoral.

No, but finances have a great deal to do with the viability of marriage.
Which doesn’t actually answer my point.

We are rethinking the way we prosecute drug crimes, if at all.
So you are arguing that homosexuals are like drug addicts and are unable to control their sexual behavior due to an unhealthy addiction?

Postmodernism is working just fine in Western Europe, Canada, Australia, and Latin America.
Really? That’s why those places are all happy go lucky without any sort of internal conflict or conflict between other postmodern societies? Another question I have is how you came up with the idea that the only postmodern societies are in Western European, Canada, Australia, and Latin America.

You are the bigot. Why is this economic system designed for men? Why can’t women participate in it?
The bigot would be the person who decides that women have to conform to an economic structure that has been largely unchanged from the days of “men go to work, women stay at home.” Which is more unjustly discriminatory and bigoted toward women, an economic system which allows for women to have children and a career (my stance), or one in which women have to pick between having children or a career (our stance)?

No. Because it is unreasonable to deny sex to people, contraception is the responsible way to protect against the expected outcome, which is pregnancy and STDs.
Prove it is unreasonable to deny sex to people. You can start with laws against prisoners engaging in sexual activity while in prison, laws against children having sex with adults, laws against adults having sex with animals, laws against adults having sex with their adult siblings, parents, or close relatives, laws against prostitution, laws against soldiers having sex while deployed, etc.

No it’s not, but it’s the latest one of too many.
One is too many, but you still need to address how the sex scandal somehow had a huge impact on the trust in the Magisterium.

Not if it interferes with the rights of the nonreligious.
Ah, so the nonreligious have more rights than the religious. But, please tell me how nonreligious objections to polygamy and close relative marriages is somehow not in the same category as religious objections to polygamy and close relative marriages. You can also let me know why it was perfectly ok for the nonreligious to deny the religious (Mormons and Muslims) polygamous marriages here in the US and most of the “postmodern” world.

No, because gays are a definite subset of our population and are here to stay. In America they are as common as Asian-Americans (5%). Should people be allowed to reject them from their businesses simply because they feel like it? It’s not based on religion. It’s based on hate. Nothing in the Bible supports such rejection. Would Jesus do this? Governor Brownback of Kansas (himself a Catholic) was correct to oppose such a law that would allow this hate.
Hate would be reducing someone’s religious beliefs to just them “feeling like it” simply because their religious beliefs don’t agree with your own beliefs. As for nothing in the “oh hey the Catholic Church is the one who compiled it” Bible not supporting the Church’s and most other Christian faiths’ views on homosexuality- sure it doesn’t.:rolleyes:
 
The developing world is still overpopulated, and humanity is not in danger of becoming extinct. This is fearmongering.
I don’t really think anyone is freaking out about the human race going extinct any time soon. But no, the world is not overpopulated. We have more than enough room and resources (even if the resources aren’t properly distributed) and birth rates are dropping. Overpopulation is a myth.
As we are learning more about gender and sexuality, and we realize that homosexuality is normal in a certain percentage of the population. Therefore we can normalize the idea of homosexual marriage in our law.
That doesn’t make it normal though, that just mean it exists. A certain percentage of the population is born blind. Does that make blindness normal? Of course not.
Ideally yes, but finances play a big role in marriage, and money is the number one cause of divorce.
I don’t see Jesus preaching that one must suffer through a bad marriage for life.
Yes, and this is a problem. Money should not be such a big reason for divorce. And I recall Jesus saying that divorce was a no-no. The problem is that nowadays people don’t really commit as much. Marriage is just a thing that people can leave whenever it’s no longer convenient for them now. Divorce rates are higher now than in the past because people no longer want to work for it. People had problems with their marriages in the past as well, but they were more willing to try and work through it.
(I realize this is not true for all cases of divorce, but the point still stands.)
That’s nice, but motherhood is not for everyone. And yes, pregnancy is suffering for 9 months. Why is it that when men and women joke about who has it worse, that women always play the “At least men don’t get pregnant and have periods” card?
Pregnancy is also a health risk.
If someone doesn’t feel like motherhood is for them, they are free to put their child up for adoption. And if they’re so worried about the suffering and health risks during pregnancy, there’s only one way to for sure prevent it - not have sex. No contraception is 100% effective and abortions carry more of a health risk than pregnancy.
It is no secret that most Catholics contracept and support gay marriage rights.
That doesn’t change anything as what’s right is not determined by a popular vote. What’s right is right even if nobody is right. What’s wrong is wrong even if everyone is wrong.
That is why it is imperative to create homosexual marriage as a legal concept.
it is the fight for equality and civil rights that makes up the history of the world.
I would say that homosexual marriage isn’t really an equality thing. Marriage is between a man and a woman for the purpose of having kids and raising a family. Gay marriage is changing the definition of this. Civil Unions provided rights for same-sex couples but it wasn’t enough. I’ve seen a gay individual attacked online for saying that Civil Unions were enough and that they shouldn’t push for marriage as it would change its definition - he was ridiculed and called “just as bad as the bigots”.
The Church is in no way irrelevant now. It is in fact more relevant. The more sick a person gets, the greater their need for a doctor.
 
Suggesting Catholicism is losing its relevance to the world is likened to saying medical doctors are losing their relevance to the world.
 
I think religious freedom has taken a back seat in free speech - it is slowly being removed from the right to free speech in this new Godless world.The world doesn’t want to hear it anymore - morallity has become a choice - a new freedom in this world regardless of God’s law.
 
The Church is as relevant as it chooses to be. When it allows prominent Catholic politicians to get away with stating and legislating directly in opposition to Catholic teachings without consequences, it loses its moral authority.
 
Its not God’s job to adhere to our needs…Its our job to adhere to his. The OP is so misguided, it brought tears to my eyes and made me nauseous.
 
In today’s modern culture in which:
  1. ** For the world as a whole, the fertility rate is now below replacement rate. This will result in population decline, even if it is slow. Western countries are already feeling the pain of having low fertility rates - Japan has already been assigned a date (100 years from now or so) when it will have zero population, other Western countries are dealing with huge population imbalances as the workforce is not large enough to support the elderly who are no longer working. As for the cost of raising children, in Western countries raising children can cost as much or as little as you like. Even unemployed mothers receive government and charitable assistance to provide a home, food, and education to their children. For the rest of the world, unfortunately, there is much corruption and instability, and so there is much poverty. However, in this case, the Catholic church is exactly the relevant answer - through its teaching on charity, it may provide material assistance (as do other religious organizations). Mother Theresa was very successful in poverty stricken India teaching NFP to mothers who could not afford any more children. **
  2. Marriage is not a right. I have yet to see it called a right in the Constitution or Bible. When I was married, under the state’s law, I also had to prove I was not related to my husband, under 16, or currently married. …
  3. Being acquainted with someone, and even thinking them likeable, does not mean that anything they do is “ok,” especially as regards a marriage. A man whom otherwise appears “nice” may be inclined to cheat on his wife - I would say cheating is more “normal” than being gay, statistically, don’t you think? But that would not mean I would condone that. Further, I may know someone who wants to get married, is legally able to marry the man she chooses, but I may be concerned about the behavior of the man in question. In that case, I cannot legally deny her marriage, but I would not approve of it. Just because you know and like or even love someone does not mean all their behavior is acceptable.
  4. I am not sure what the Catholic church has to do with this point. The Catholic church teaches that people can live very meaningful lives as single adults.
  5. Lifespan is increasing and it’s a tall order to remain committed to one partner for life;
**I think this is funny! So, if it is only a tall order to remain committed to one partner for life because of increasing lifespans, what does that mean for us? Is divorce acceptable after 76? Because otherwise you may now have to live with your spouse until 82? Should that be stated in the marriage contract, “Until death or the age of 76 do we part, whichever comes first.” I hear that elderly divorce is becoming more common for legal reasons, but I think the majority of divorces are among much younger partners, and I don’t think life expectancy is an issue… **
  1. **I’m not going to pretend to know or care what postmodernism believes. But I know Christianity teaches a peaceful coexistence with everyone, even in a society where not everyone is Christian. So perhaps postmodernism and Christianity are the same thing? **
  2. **No it’s not. Pregnant women with careers have some medical checkups and then take family leave to have the baby, and then come back. I suppose there are some careers, such as being a professional beer taster, that pregnancy would inhibit. But even then, it’s only nine months. **
  3. **If pregnancy is a form of suffering, does that mean no one should ever suffer? I begin to picture a world where I do not suffer. My day involves me sleeping in, not going to work, eating junk food all day, taking a nap, and then watching some TV. No suffering so far. But then I find myself crabby, overweight, stomache ache, sore eyes, messy house, no money, and generally feeling worthless. Not suffering is a mutually exclusive proposal here on earth. As to the health risk, we have doctors for that. Women who know ahead of time that they should not get pregnant are welcome to practice NFP or stay single. **
  4. I think your catechesis is a bit off on this one. Priests are no longer trusted, I’ll give you that. But that is different than the Magisterium. Much of the doctrine of our faith was instituted long before this most recent sex scandal. I suppose a person may mistrust a portion of the doctrine if it is directly taught to her by a priest, but then would she throw away the Bible (part of the Magisterium) as well?
  5. **Sounds good. Not sure what it has to do with the Catholic church not being relevant. **
  6. **Not true. Many businesses flourish and many people go to work who do not support gay marriage. For most people, their sexual activities and inclinations do not come up at work and to not really matter. As long as you do not discriminate against someone who has a same sex attraction or (as far as hiring practices go and assuming you are not a religious institution) is even in a same sex relationship, you are free to go about your business. And I don’t think the Catholic Church would agree with denying someone a living just because of whom they are attracted to. **
Can we admit that Catholic teachings on abortion, sex, marriage, and contraception are losing relevance in today’s modern world?

**The Catholic church’s teachings on abortion were not relevant during Roman times when people wanted to expose their children (aka leave them to die). Its teachings on marriage were not relevant for King Henry VIII. Its teachings on contraception have not changed, but the world has changed. So, no, I won’t admit that the church is losing relevance. **
 
No, I have a high opinion of them and you do not. Your argument fails logic because if the Church allows heterosexual sex, then does that mean that the Church believes that heterosexuals cannot control their urges?

The Church believes heterosexuals can control their urges. They expect heterosexuals to control their urges by not having sex outside of marriage, or to multiple partners, or when using contraception. The church expects all of us to control all our urges by not being gluttonous, by not sleeping all day Sunday when we should be going to Mass, by not drinking too much, by not refusing to work when our work could be helping others.

Postmodernism is working just fine in Western Europe, Canada, Australia, and Latin America.

Not really sure about how well postmodernism is working in Latin America, but if you really think Venezuela, Colombia, and Mexico are great places to live, then by all means…

No. Because it is unreasonable to deny sex to people, contraception is the responsible way to protect against the expected outcome, which is pregnancy and STDs.

It is not unreasonable to deny sex to people. No one has ever died because they didn’t have sex.

Not if it interferes with the rights of the nonreligious.

What rights has religion interfered with against the rights of nonreligious?
 
It is not unreasonable to deny sex to people. No one has ever died because they didn’t have sex.
Yep. Although, it’s also peculiar that a lack of sex in the world can logically lead to a declining birth rate (which is what sex is primarily for). Throw in the hormonal imbalances posed by the likes of some contraceptives, you have a strange world where everyone wants sex but still risks extinction due to unstable birth rates. 🤷
 
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