Is Christian Unity Really Possible?

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I said yes without a doubt and it could happen tomorrow. Because God is great and He makes the impossible possible. He can make the lame strong. And He longs to have His Church as one again.

Also in Heaven we will be one again, so I guess if we all died tomorrow the Church will most defiantly be united.
 
AlegreFe said:
It’s not that each of us want to be right. It’s that YOU want to be right. I say that with certainty because I KNOW for sure that the one True Church is the Catholic Church. Yes we are all too arrogant but that doesn’t mean that an arrogant Catholic is wrong when he/she says that the Catholic Church is the one true Church. It just means he/she has a big head.

That’s not to say that there aren’t any true Christians in a protestant church. Sure real Christians at heart are all part of the body of Christ and only God knows the sheep from the goats. There are goats in the Catholic Church too but that doesn’t make the Catholic Church the wrong church. Don’t forget Judas. He was IN it from the beginning and yet the Apostles still went out to preach the Word just as Jesus commanded them.

I will never back down on my beliefs. I will never leave the Catholic Church, and not because of pride. I will never leave because I know that I am in the One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church that Christ built on Peter the Rock. I will never leave because I want to have Jesus Christ every chance I get to eat His Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity.
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Hi,
Thanks you just proved my point:thumbsup:
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,
Thanks you just proved my point:thumbsup:
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Only if he agrees with Protestants that Catholicism’s specific beliefs are not important to Christianity and can be compromised (which would make his beliefs, by definition, unCatholic)…otherwise, I hardly think that refusing to compromise beliefs that you find an indespensable part of the True Faith is the same as being arrogant and disrupting Christian Unity. If someone asked you to compromise a key belief in Jesus’ divinity for the sake of being United with someone who says He was just a really great man, and was indeed the Messiah, but not Divine and that His claims to be the Son of God were somehow symbolic, would you compromise? If not, would that be arrogant of you?
 
You guys have got it all wrong. Christian unity will come about, but not as you think. If you think that all the apostate churches in the world will come together to form one nice big happy apostate church, you are living in a dream world. That will never happen. Christianity is broke. It broke 2000 years ago when it apostatized. It can’t be fixed. Christian unity will indeed come about, but only in the way that it is prophesied in the Bible, not the way you think:

Daniel 2:

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

That is how God has ordained for His one true Church to prevail in the world in the last days. The apostate churches are doomed to an enenviable and early demise. Only the Church that God Himself will have established in the last days without human intervention (i.e. stone cut out without hands) will prevail and endure, and become the one and only true Church of God in all the world.

zerinus
 
In the 1960s when the drive for Christian unity in Catholicism began, I felt very skeptical about the possibility of union with other denominations. I had been a Protestant who converted then to Catholicism and in fact was going to be a minister, so I am very well aware of the great differences that lie between Catholicism and Protestantism. However, I decided then, why say anything against it? There is always a small chance something will come from it. Who knows that the future will bring?
Lately, though I have been hopeful that union with the Orthodox is possible, and in fact there is not a great deal of , I think, this could occur in the lifetimes of some of the people here.
 
JesusforMadrid said:
This is so untrue it is almost funny. Catholic Answers is filled, it seems, with a bunch of quixotic dreamers. Lets get a few things straight.
  1. Evangelical Christianity is far from collapsing. In fact, it is growing rapidly in South America, Africa, Asia, growing fast in North America and growing in Europe. In China, there are estimated 50-100 million Christians, of which 70-90% are Evangelicals. Try again.
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We are both right, you just failed to understand what I was saying. I was talking specifically about Protestantism in regards to THEOLOGY and esepecially aimed at protestant pastors. Those with an open mind to the facts and reason will see protesatnt theology doesnt have a leg to stand on.

In regards to protestantism as a social club where people meet for fun and to read a few verses, that is what is commonly called “easybelievism” and is taking over main line protestantism. There is less and less focus on theology and more and more focus on emotion.

The time is comming when not enough protestant pastors (whos focus is on theology) in protestantism wont be there to support protestantism and as a result denominations will either collapes and disappear or turn into social clubs where entertainment rather than theology and other teachings on faith and morals will not be mentioned or take a back seat.
  1. The Roman Catholic Church is losing member in absolute terms in South America and Europe. It is growing with the population in the US, mainly due to immigration. However, in relative terms, it is falling in the US. In the developing world, when people are given a chance to choose, they choose overwhelmingly Evangelical churches relative to the Roman Catholic Church. This is a fact and none of your Catholic Answers wishful thinking will change this. There are a number of studies that support these conclusions, including an extensive one done at Gordon Conwell in Boston. See for example, globalchristianity.org/
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You dont understand what is going on. The overwhelming majority “choosing” Evangelicalism is due to an outward appearance of entertainment and easybelievism. Its not due to an intellectual or even spiritual conviction because Protestantism doesnt offer those aspects beyond surface level.
Its easier to be evangelical where the pastor cant tell you how to live your life than to be Catholic where faith and morals are Truths that cant be compromised.

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st_lucy said:
…And He longs to have His Church as one again.
Also in Heaven we will be one again, so I guess if we all died tomorrow the Church will most defiantly be united.
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Yes, Jesus longs for everyone to be united in His Catholic Church. And when many of us are in Heaven we will all be Catholic. :yup:
 
ALLFORHIM said:
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AlegreFe:
Yes we are all too arrogant but that doesn’t mean that an arrogant Catholic is wrong when he/she says that the Catholic Church is the one true Church
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. It just means he/she has a big head.
(emphasis added)Hi,
Thanks you just proved my point:thumbsup:
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KindredSoul said:
Only if -]he/-] she 😉 agrees with Protestants that Catholicism’s specific beliefs are not important to Christianity and can be compromised (which would make his beliefs, by definition, unCatholic)…otherwise, I hardly think that refusing to compromise beliefs that you find an indespensable part of the True Faith is the same as being arrogant and disrupting Christian Unity. If someone asked you to compromise a key belief in Jesus’ divinity for the sake of being United with someone who says He was just a really great man, and was indeed the Messiah, but not Divine and that His claims to be the Son of God were somehow symbolic, would you compromise? If not, would that be arrogant of you?
(correction added) 😉
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Would it be arrogant of you AllForHim? I’ll be waiting for your reply.

If you read my post again you will see what I meant. Please read my post again.
I proved NOTHING of your “point” with my post.
 
Sorry, AlegreFe 🙂

I was so busy responding to the post that I didn’t see the big “SANDY” right in your signature before posting. 😃
 
zerinus said:
You guys have got it all wrong. Christian unity will come about, but not as you think. If you think that all the apostate churches in the world will come together to form one nice big happy apostate church, you are living in a dream world. That will never happen. Christianity is broke. It broke 2000 years ago when it apostatized. It can’t be fixed. Christian unity will indeed come about, but only in the way that it is prophesied in the Bible, not the way you think:

Daniel 2:

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

That is how God has ordained for His one true Church to prevail in the world in the last days. The apostate churches are doomed to an enenviable and early demise. Only the Church that God Himself will have established in the last days without human intervention (i.e. stone cut out without hands) will prevail and endure, and become the one and only true Church of God in all the world.

zerinus
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This is to refer to the Kingdom of Heaven after the Judgement Day. Therefore, it is possible that there will be unity before the Judgement Day comes.
 
KindredSoul said:
Sorry, AlegreFe 🙂

I was so busy responding to the post that I didn’t see the big “SANDY” right in your signature before posting. 😃
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I thought AlegreFe was a man by mistake at one time too.:o It’s easy to make a mistake with a name that could be male or female (I live in Cleveland, and the Indians used to have a catcher named Sandy Alomar.). You’re not the first to get mixed up on whether a poster is a man or woman.
 
zerinus said:
No it ain’t. The thing is broke, you can’t fix it! 😃

zerinus
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Spoken like a true Mormonite :banghead:

Don’t forget to remind everyone here that they are “enemies of God and of His True Church.” (your words, Zerinus)
 
I put “Yes, certainly, but in many many years” but then I read Caesar’s first post, and I realized that none of the choices given are correct.

The reality is that the Church is already united, and cannot be divided. It’s just that all of humanity is not yet fully united to Her (and through various circumstances have become separated from Her, and need to come back into the full unity that they once had) - and, ultimately, that’s the goal, isn’t it?
 
water said:
This is to refer to the Kingdom of Heaven after the Judgement Day. Therefore, it is possible that there will be unity before the Judgement Day comes.
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It doesn’t refer to “after the judgement day”. It refers to a kingdom that God will establish in the last days, that will grow slowly to fill the earth. That can’t be referring to the judgement day.

zerinus
 
JesusforMadrid said:
This is so untrue it is almost funny. Catholic Answers is filled, it seems, with a bunch of quixotic dreamers. Lets get a few things straight.
  1. Evangelical Christianity is far from collapsing. In fact, it is growing rapidly in South America, Africa, Asia, growing fast in North America and growing in Europe.
  2. The Roman Catholic Church is losing member in absolute terms in South America and Europe. , globalchristianity.org/
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Still beating the same old horse,

Welcome back, Jesus4Madrid, I wondered what happened to you after asking you those questions! Glad you’re back, maybe you can stick around and JOIN the discussion instead of hijacking it for your agenda, hhmm?
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zerinus said:
You guys have got it all wrong. Christian unity will come about, but not as you think. If you think that all the apostate churches in the world will come together to form one nice big happy apostate church, you are living in a dream world. That will never happen. Christianity is broke. It broke 2000 years ago when it apostatized. It can’t be fixed.

He’s Baaaaaa-ack. Here comes the Mormon pitch: “I have it from the testimony of the Holy Spirit.”

and “I have a burning in my bosom” that you guys are “enemies of God and His True Church.”
Christian unity will indeed come about, but only in the way that it is prophesied in the Bible, not the way you think:
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What are you smoking, Zerinus? How did you get to your conclusion from this quotation in Daniel???

Thank God (or in Zerinus’ world: thank the gods and goddesses) for common sense!

Why don’t you quote from the Book of Mormon, or Pearl of Great Price or Doctrine & Covenants ??

Or would that be tipping your hand??
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zerinus said:
It doesn’t refer to “after the judgement day”. It refers to a kingdom that God will establish in the last days, that will grow slowly to fill the earth. That can’t be referring to the judgement day.

zerinus
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Did everybody get that? Zerinus wants to ADD a few lines to his quotation from Daniel in order for it to fit his bizarre interpretation.

Highlight his post, above, and click on the right side, yes, that’s right, now click where it says ‘trash.’

Good job.
 
zerinus said:
It doesn’t refer to “after the judgement day”. It refers to a kingdom that God will establish in the last days, that will grow slowly to fill the earth. That can’t be referring to the judgement day.

zerinus
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zerinus,

Based on what scripture verses do you think it will be on Earth? Are you implying that Heaven will be right here on Earth?

Thanks.
 
No! I do not believe it’s possible. God can unite all Christians but in order to do so he would have to appear on earth and tell everyone which one is his true Church. That is something he will never do because it would violate the gift of free will he has bestowed upon man. In other words, he would coerce people to believe in the true Church Jesus founded. Jesus has already told us which one is his Church. In addition, In regard to religion, most people follow the conscience of their parents. That sets up the “invincible ignorance” which only God can cure.
 
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