Is Christ's Divinity specifically a Catholic belief?

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Seventh Day Adventists actually believe in the Trinity and therefore in the divinity of Christ.
Does Christ having a “conditional Deity” qualify as within the camp of affirming the Trinity?
…Is it possible within Catholicism that God the Father & God the Holy Spirit have conditional Deity?
…I.E. would / could any hypothetical situation exist whereas God the Father could be eternally annihilated?
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SteveVH:
Jehovah’s Witnesses deny both the Trinity and the divinity of Christ. You shouldn’t mix and match these two, although they, along with the LDS, all grew out the Adventist movement of the mid 19th century and hold the belief that references to Michael are actually references to Christ. They don’t seem to distinguish between a Creator and his creatures. Michael was an angel, and therefore created. Christ is God and therefore not created. Therefore Christ cannot be Michael.
Michael, like Lucifer, “could have failed” & have been counted among the fallen angels if he did sin…
…Seventh-day Adventists ( along with JW’s, Christadelphian’s & the defunct WWCOG ).
…Feverishly maintain that Christ “could have” sinned and suffered the eternal wrath of God by annihilation.

I’m Sorry Steve, I have to disagree with you here…
 
Does Christ having a “conditional Deity” qualify as within the camp of affirming the Trinity?
…Is it possible within Catholicism that God the Father & God the Holy Spirit have conditional Deity?
…I.E. would / could any hypothetical situation exist whereas God the Father could be eternally annihilated?

Michael, like Lucifer, “could have failed” & have been counted among the fallen angels if he did sin…
…Seventh-day Adventists ( along with JW’s, Christadelphian’s & the defunct WWCOG ).
…Feverishly maintain that Christ “could have” sinned and suffered the eternal wrath of God by annihilation.

I’m Sorry Steve, I have to disagree with you here…
No need to be sorry. I am happy to be corrected if when am wrong. I saw a post with quotes from Ellen G. White that made me cringe. If that is what they still believe then I would agree with you. I had been told that they had discarded much this baloney. My apologies for misleading anyone.
 
No need to be sorry. I am happy to be corrected if when am wrong. I saw a post with quotes from Ellen G. White that made me cringe. If that is what they still believe then I would agree with you. I had been told that they had discarded much this baloney. My apologies for misleading anyone.
No apology needed my friend!

Unfortunately the Seventh Day Adventists are bound to the theological affirmations Ellen White made…
…The SDA’s celebrate her as a prophet who was instructed by God to say the things she did.
…It’s sad that her Arianism ( some argue Semi-Arianism ) keeps those people in such darkness.

The most important Doctrine to SDA’s, the one that meant everything to them as a people ( according to Ellen )…
…Was the teaching that God the Father was a flesh and bone hominid God.
…Therefore the Deity that creature Christ had was “gifted” or bestowed to creature Christ.
…It was a “conditional deity” that required constant conditions be met otherwise creature Christ would have rotted in the tomb.

For this teaching to be ingrained into SDA’s they are programmed to accept as fact…
…That Christ had & fought carnal desires of the flesh.
…That He wanted to do sexual stuff to the girl down the street but resisted His own lusts to do it.

To accomplish this SDA’s will gloat that Ellen White had information past that found in the Sacred Scriptures…
…The people who authored the books of the Bible were not God’s pen, Ellen White was.
…Example following:

Ellen White
The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is NOT God’s mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God’s penmen, not His pen." (Selected Messages, Vol. 1, Chapter One “The Inspiration of the Prophetic Writers”)

This is a warning shot across the bow for any good Seventh Day Adventist to remember…
…That while the Bible indeed appears to repudiate multiple SDA Dogmas.
…What you read in the Bible is the expression of “humanity”.

After this it is pounded into SDA’s that Ellen White faithfully expresses WORD FOR WORD…
…Exactly what Father God and creature Christ wanted her to say, just like a sock puppet.
…Here are a few examples of that.

Ellen White
Before I stand on my feet, I have no thought of speaking as plainly as I do. But the Spirit of God rests upon me with power, and I CANNOT but speak the words GIVEN me. I dare not withhold one word of the testimony… I speak the words GIVEN ME by a higher power than human power, and I CANNOT, if I would, recall [retract] one sentence” (1MR 28).

Ellen White
As soon as I take my pen in hand, I am not in darkness as to what to write. It is as plain and clear as a voice speaking to me, ‘I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go’” (2MR 319).

Ellen White
There are those who say, ‘Someone MANIPULATES her writings.’ I acknowledge the charge. It is One who is mighty in counsel, One who presents before me the condition of things” (1MR 30).

Ellen White
If you lessen the confidence of God’s people** in the testimonies **he has sent them, you are rebelling against God as certainly as were Korah, Dathan and Abirum" (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 66).

“Testimonies” is code for Ellen White’s teachings on creature Christ and the Saturday Sabbath.

Ellen White
“How many have read carefully Patriarchs and Prophets, The Great Controversy, and The Desire of Ages? I wish all to understand that my confidence in the light that God has given stands firm, because I know that the Holy Spirit’s power magnified the truth, and made it honorable, saying: ‘This is the way, walk ye in it.’ In my books, the truth is stated, barricaded by a ‘Thus saith the Lord.’ The Holy Spirit traced these truths upon my heart and mind as indelibly as the law was traced by the finger of God, upon the tables of stone…” (Letter 90, 1906)

Ellen White
I testify the things which I have seen, the things which I have heard, the things which my hands have handled of the Word of life. And this testimony I know to be of the Father and the Son. We have seen and do testify that the power of the Holy Ghost has accompanied the presentation of the truth, warning with pen and voice, and giving the messages in their order. To deny this work would be to deny the Holy Ghost, and would place us in that company who have departed from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits." (Selected Messages vol. 2, p. 388)

Ellen White
Some are ready to inquire: ‘Who told Sister White these things?’ They have even put the question to me: ‘Did anyone tell you these things?’ I could answer them: ‘Yes; yes, the angel of God has spoken to me.’ But what they mean is: ‘Have the brethren and sisters been exposing their faults?’ For the future, I shall not belittle the testimonies that God has given me, to make explanations to try to satisfy such narrow minds, but shall treat all such questions as an insult to the Spirit of God. God has seen fit to thrust me into positions in which He has not placed any other one in our ranks. He has laid upon me burdens of reproof that He has not given to any other one." (Testimonies, vol. 3, pp. 314, 315)

It hurts to quote these things!
 
Mildly disturbing to read them also.
I wish I could say that those quotes exhausted Ellen White’s prophetic statements about her abilities…
…Unfortunately it’s only the tip of the iceberg.

Ellen White
But although Christ’s glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became man…The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one." SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p.1129

White goes on to say that creature Christ and God were “one”…
…In the same manner that creature Christ and His Apostles were one.
…The Apostles are not ‘God’.
 
My boyfriend has been saying that Jesus is the Son of God, and not God Himself. That God would more be the Father part. As far as I can tell the arguments that can be used is:
  1. The Trinity - Which in my Catholic upbringing shows God to be of three parts - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All being of one God, such as St. Patrick showed with using the shamrock having three parts and being one plant. Now if a person believes in the trinity, then they should understand that it’s all one, making Jesus also God, or a part of God.
and 2) That Jesus was born a man, from a woman, Mary, and only later after he was resurrected that he became fully God. Also making him, in the end at least, God too.

Now with all my reasoning… I was wondering if my logic is coming from a specifically CATHOLIC point of view, and other Christian churches teach differently?
Your first argument concerning the Trinity is the closest to being accurate. Note though that the Father, Son, and Spirit are not “parts” of God, since God is a perfect and simple (non-composite) Being. The Father, Son, and Spirit are each fully God and not parts of the Divinity in the way that leaves are parts of a clover. The clover analogy can only go so far in understanding this mystery. Each Person of the Trinity is a different subjectivity, but each of Them acts, wills, exists, together in perfect union. The only difference between each Person is in regards to their origins from the unbegotten Father (the source of the Trinity in Eastern theology).

Your second argument is false. The Son, the Logos or Second Person of the Trinity descended and took upon Himself a human nature. Christ was fully God, and fully human from the first moment of His human conception in the womb of Mary.

What exactly is “the Son of God” mean if not God Himself? Are there different degrees of divinity? How can we be saved by a created entity that is in the same ontological category as us (in that we are created and are finite)?

As for the thread title, no it is not a specifically Catholic belief. Any Christian who follows apostolic christology believes in this. Lutherans, Orthodox, Anglicans, Methodists, Catholics, etc.
 
My boyfriend has been saying that Jesus is the Son of God, and not God Himself. That God would more be the Father part. As far as I can tell the arguments that can be used is:
  1. The Trinity - Which in my Catholic upbringing shows God to be of three parts - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All being of one God, such as St. Patrick showed with using the shamrock having three parts and being one plant. Now if a person believes in the trinity, then they should understand that it’s all one, making Jesus also God, or a part of God.
Your view is not the Catholic view. You must be very careful with words. God is not three “parts” because that implies separateness. The Trinity is one Being in three divine persons, distinct, but not separate. Remember, they are one eternal Being. God is, in essence, a family. That is his nature. We have families because we are made in God’s image and likeness.
and 2) That Jesus was born a man, from a woman, Mary, and only later after he was resurrected that he became fully God. Also making him, in the end at least, God too.
Jesus did not become God. He is God from eternity by virtue of being the second Person of the Trinity. He had to humble himself to become man, but remains fully divine. Jesus did not cease to be man after his resurrection. He remains fully human and fully divine.
 
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SteveVH:
Your view is not the Catholic view. You must be very careful with words. God is not three “parts” because that implies separateness. The Trinity is one Being in three divine persons, distinct, but not separate. Remember, they are one eternal Being. God is, in essence, a family. That is his nature. We have families because we are made in God’s image and likeness
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SteveVH:
Jesus did not become God. He is God from eternity by virtue of being the second Person of the Trinity. He had to humble himself to become man, but remains fully divine. Jesus did not cease to be man after his resurrection. He remains fully human and fully divine.
VERY well said Steve!!!

The SDA’s are strictly Anthropomorphite so they could not accept your above affirmation…
…To them, “God” ( in the strict sense ) = the Father alone.
…Christ can be called God simply because God is His Father.
…The Holy Spirit is understood to be a personality MINUS the Person.
…The Holy Spirit is understood to be a type of odor resultant from God & creature Christ.

The final few sentences of an SDA publication which spells out “The Personality of God” doctrine for SDA’s.
SDA Personality of God Doctrine:
Thus it is declare that God has all the members and parts o a perfect man. This is not said once, no twice, but many times, not in parables an symbols, and figures, but directly and plainly.
The above quote can be read in context at the following link…
…It starts on page one and is titles “The Personality of God”.

docs.adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH18780905-V52-11__B.pdf?q=docs/RH/RH18780905-V52-11__B.pdf

This wasn’t just a “one shot wonder” teaching…
…It was, according to Ellen Gould White the most important teaching of SDAism.
…And provides the foundation for their “creature Christ” Doctrine.

“Without body or parts”

adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH18530721-V04-05__B.pdf#search=%22 without body or parts %22&view=fit

adventistarchives.org/docs/PT/PT18850901-V01-17__C/index.djvu?djvuopts&page=10

adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH18540307-V05-07__B.pdf#view=fit

“The Sabbath God”?

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