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BVMFatima
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" Is communion “better” in the Catholic Church "?
Ofcorse, and here is why. The orthodox Churches are not all united as one as the Roman Church is with the Eastern Churches in communion. For example, Let’s say there are churches A, B, and C in the orthodox Churches. Church A and C might be in communion, but Church B and C might not. Because they do not have one single leader to guide the Church as Catholicism has the pope, this is why they can’t even hold a council, because too many of there patriarchs disagree with one another on even holding a council.
Because of so much schism in “Orthodox christianity” the Eucharist cannot posibally nourish the Church. Every time in the Roman Catholic Church before we even receive the Eucharist, the Priest says " the Body of Christ " and we say Amen. This is because we are not just participating in receiving Christ’s body, but we are also uniting with the Church itself. Because the Orthodox Churches (plural) are not all even in communion with one another, how can the Eucharist even be the center of the Churches?
God Bless,
BVMFatima
Ofcorse, and here is why. The orthodox Churches are not all united as one as the Roman Church is with the Eastern Churches in communion. For example, Let’s say there are churches A, B, and C in the orthodox Churches. Church A and C might be in communion, but Church B and C might not. Because they do not have one single leader to guide the Church as Catholicism has the pope, this is why they can’t even hold a council, because too many of there patriarchs disagree with one another on even holding a council.
Because of so much schism in “Orthodox christianity” the Eucharist cannot posibally nourish the Church. Every time in the Roman Catholic Church before we even receive the Eucharist, the Priest says " the Body of Christ " and we say Amen. This is because we are not just participating in receiving Christ’s body, but we are also uniting with the Church itself. Because the Orthodox Churches (plural) are not all even in communion with one another, how can the Eucharist even be the center of the Churches?
God Bless,
BVMFatima
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Peter_J
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Hi BVMFatima. I can’t help thinking that your experience with the Orthodox (a certain convert-forum on a certain website comes to mind
) has perhaps given you a distorted impression of them.I’d suggest asking yourself, do you trust the Pope and the Vatican (and, more specifically, the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity) to understand the Orthodox better than you or I would?
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devoutchristian
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Note: when someone says or implies that the Pope has repudiated some teaching of the Church, don’t take their word for it, as people on the Internet can easily lie or themselves be misinformed.
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BVMFatima
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Yes I note you are also on the Orthodox forums, but as I deeply studied the Orthodox Churches I found the truth with Rome!Hi BVMFatima. I can’t help thinking that your experience with the Orthodox (a certain convert-forum on a certain website comes to mind
I’d suggest asking yourself, do you trust the Pope and the Vatican (and, more specifically, the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity) to understand the Orthodox better than you or I would?
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Peter_J
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but as I deeply studied the Orthodox Churches I found the truth with Rome!
Hmm… that’s kind of a weird non-sequitor. The Pope and the Vatican (and the PCPCU) found the truth with Rome too.
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Kevin_Minnick
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Schism in the Orthodox Church? Sure there are some. But when you consider that the protestants spawned from Roman Catholicism, which do you think is worse?
Ex: Main stream Orthodox are not in communion with the Oriental Orthodox but we have FAR MORE in common than the Roman Catholic Church and the Presbyterians.
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malphono
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No, not exactly. That formula is only used in the Novus Ordo. In the Usus Antiquior, there is no “Amen” response. The formula used is “Corpus Domini Nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animan tuam in vitam aeternam.” It’s interestingly similar to the Syriac and Byzantine formulae.
Because it is.
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Peter_J
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I really wouldn’t fault you (EO) guys for not being in communion with the Oriental Orthodox. After all, they split off from the “undivided church of the first millennium”; which is to say, they didn’t split off from you (EOs) any more than from us (Cs).
Perhaps BVMFatima was thinking of EO “schisms” like the UOC-KP, UAOC, GOC, what-have-you.
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Peter_J
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P.S. I realize, of course, that they would say that *we *(EOs and Cs) split off from them (OOs).
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ConstantineTG
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Thanks for giving completely false information.
All Orthodox Churches are in communion with one another. Now if you will come back with, “why aren’t you in communion with the Oriental Orthodox?” I will ask you the same, why aren’t you in communion with other Catholic Churches like the Sedevacantists who still call themselves Roman Catholics, the Polish National Catholic Church, the Old Catholics, and many other Churches with “Catholic” in the name?
So there is no schism in the Catholic Church? What do you call the Anglicans? Lutherans? And the aformentioned Sedevacantists, PNCC, Old Catholics, etc.? You even have a group operating within the Catholic Church but not actually within, the SSPX.
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BVMFatima
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Really? Explain to me the conflict between the Armeanians and the Greeks in the Holy Land.
- You do know the Protestants are not Catholic correct? Thus they are a seperate religion in heresy, mortal sin, and schism. They are NOT Roman Catholics, so this argument of yours does not make sense.
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ConstantineTG
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Armenians are OO, Greeks are EO. Currently Armenians are not in communion with anyone EO, and the Greeks are not in communion with anyone OO.
It does. EOs are not OOs, and OOs are not EOs. Regardless of the closeness of our faith, we are not in communion with one another and until we have sorted everything out, we are not one Church. There is no difference to what I said and it makes perfect sense. You see Protestants as “not Catholics”, we see OOs as “not Orthodox” in the sense that we are Orthodox. Although we are already pretty close to one another, we haven’t achieved that full communion where anyone can conclusively say that we are one and the same Church. So they are as much “protestants” to us at this point as we are to them, the same way that Lutherans are protestants to you.
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RyanBlack
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Armenians are Oriental Orthodox, while the Greeks are Eastern Orthodox–two different communions of churches.
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Schism_hater
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Yes, not to mention that even among Catholics “loyal to the Pope” there is a considerable gulf between traditionalists and more mainstream Catholics. I was in the Roman Catholic church for more than 27 years, so I know.
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ConstantineTG
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Peter_J
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Um … okay :ehh:
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Elizium23
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Be careful throwing out labels like these to separated brethren. Those born into schism or heresy are not themselves culpable of those sins. Those in a separated Church or ecclesial community do not commit mortal sin by believing what they believe. “Heresy” as a legal term only applies to those within the Church who deny her truths. We do not call the Orthodox or Protestants heretics. It is uncharitable of you to come to the forum and spout labels which do not have a founding in truth. It is very important for ecumenism that we should be sensitive to the feelings and sensibilities of separated brethren.
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ConstantineTG
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Interestingly enough, one has to be tried by Church Tribunal before one can be labeled a heretic, schismatic or apostate. A Catholic bishop told me this. Yet we, especially on internet forums, freely hand out these labels as if it is our right to give them out.
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Tomdstone
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However, an Eastern Orthodox priest told me that St. Thomas Aquinas is a heretic and generally all Catholics are heretics. According to him, Catholics are heretics because they hold heretical views on the filioque, on papal infallibility, on papal supremacy, and Catholics are wrong other issues such as divorce, and the distinction between NFP and ABC, on Purgatory, and others. This is from the Eastern Orthodox POV according to what I was told.
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