Is confession and confirmation the same as getting saved?

[Irishmom2]

Did you look at the site I, and others have suggested?

Chastity

 

[Jump4Joy]

Who wants to fit into that category?

 

[Jump4Joy]

Many articles to read. This will be a bug change to me. That means changing my clothes, thoughts, music I listen to, how close I can get to certain people. You guys are completely correct, but this is pretty hard.

 

[guanophore]

I’m at a fork in the road. “The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.” I wish I didn’t care about sex that much.

God made you free to choose.

26 “Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse: 27 the blessing, if you obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day, 28 and the curse, if you do not obey the commandments of the Lord your God…

Deuteronomy 30:19
19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live,

This will be a bug change to me. That means changing my clothes, thoughts, music I listen to, how close I can get to certain people. You guys are completely correct, but this is pretty hard.

Yes, I do not think it can be done without being led by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Irishmom2]

Why don’t you stop making excuses and read them?

 

[phil19034]

A Protestant asked me if I had been saved. I exposed my ignorance by stating I didn’t know what that even means. Of course the gospel was preached to me

If you are Baptised and if you try to live the Christian life, then the Catholic answer to the “are you saved” question is:

1. Yes I was baptized and, I’m still working out my salvation & I pray that I see God when I die.
   Or
2. Yes, I was saved, am currently being saved, and pray to be saved.

 

[babochka]

There is the temptation we’re fully committed adults using protection so there are no possible repercussions.

In addition to spiritual repercussions, it is still possible to get pregnant and transmit an STD while using protection,even with so-called “perfect use”.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I appreciate all opinions and responses

 

[PJM]

Should I only go to confession if I want to stop my sin? I confess because I know it’s wrong but I don’t want to stop completely.

“Give me chastity not just yet.”

I haven’t completely stopped lying. I don’t like it or exaggerating. I honestly doubt I’ll stop lying for the rest of my life.

The advice to seek a Priest advice is EXCELLENT. Please do so ASAP. {the sooner the BETTER}

Sacramental Confession is for Baptized Catholics only.

It is a deterrent to sin {through Sacramental grace}; but its FIRST objective to to through a Good Confession and Absolution; is to REMOVE {forgive} your sins up to that point in your life.

Confirmation is a separate Sacrament whitch offers the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and PRESUMES one knows their Catholic Faith well enough to COMMIT to living it with God’s helpful grace; share it with others and even defend it when necessary.

God as our Creator knows US well. So He gives humanity only 2 choices

1. we can choose to run our lives and RISK eternal Hell
2. We can Ask God {and then permit Him to do it} Run OUR live’s and greatly increase our odds of attaining Eternal Heaven.

The KICKER is the responsibility CAN’T be split or shared.

Being a “Catholic” is NOT in the name; its in HOW we live our lives for God. Amen {I believe!}

Easter Blessings,
Patrick

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[thistle]

Saved is a protestant (mostly Baptist) concept.

We are redeemed through the Crucifixion of Christ

I agree. Protestants don’t seem to understand the difference between redemption and salvation.

 

[steve-b]

Not wasting time. I feel like I’m learning. I’ve been introduced to new opinions. I can just tell Padre that there are certain sins I’m struggling to fully give up. Shouldn’t I tell him the truth rather than tell him s promise I won’t keep? He can decide whether I’m absolved or not. I mean I’m obviously going to tell him why I struggle and my conflicting desires.

This is not a waste of time. Someone somewhere else feels the same way I do but is not bold enough to ask.

We can’t get away from the fact that life has choices and eternal consequences for the choices we make on this side of eternity. We don’t want to be on the wrong side when death occurs. And let’s not overlook the fact we’re all just one heartbeat away from that.

 

[Jump4Joy]

I can share with Padre where I’m at spiritually. I’m being honest.

 

[EXdrinker]

Should I only go to confession if I want to stop my sin? I confess because I know it’s wrong but I don’t want to stop completely.

I didn’t read the whole thread but wanted to give some advice that I picked up in the book “Rome Sweet Home”.

If there is something in your will that is contrary to what God wants for you then back your prayer up. For example, you said, “I do not want to stop completely.” Instead of praying for the help to stop, pray that God changes your heart so that you do want to stop. If you really do not want Him to change your heart then back it up and pray that he help you want to want to stop. If that isn’t quite in your heart back it up again to want to want to want to stop. There is a point that you are okay with a prayer that will begin moving your heart closer to God’s will. God will answer that prayer, then move forward one step. Soon you will arive at, “Please Lord, I want to stop, please give me the strength to do so.” At that point you have contrition and intend on not sinning again.

You are in my prayers.

 

[semper_catholicus]

Well, you have to have the sincere resolve to TRY AS HARD AS YOU CAN not to commit those sins.

 

[Jump4Joy]

Prayer seems to always be the best answer.

 

[Jump4Joy]

All the great saints have their moments of conversion. Isn’t that being saved? When Saul became Paul. The woman at the well.

 

[Jump4Joy]

Repentance is another form of conversion

 

[guanophore]

My niece asked me that once, having become “non-denominational”. I told her that i hoped i was saved, but wouldn’t know that until death. And that my belief is that “salvation is a process”.

I think it helps these non-denoms/evangelicals that some aspects of salvation are complete. We are saved in baptism, but we are still working out our salvation. They have been taught to separation justification from sanctification, and to call justification “salvation” so we are talking past each other.

Sacramental Confession is for Baptized Catholics only.

The OP is baptized, communed and confirmed.

Protestants don’t seem to understand the difference between redemption and salvation.

Some do. It is difficult to lump all Protestants into one bucket, since there is such a vast differences between them all. There are some that do understand the concept very well. What I think is more problematic is changing the Apostolic Teaching on salvation so that it is limited only to justification, without including sanctification and glorification, which are then separated from from “salvation”. This practice is what makes it so hard for them to understand Catholicism.

Prayer seems to always be the best answer.

Yes. Prayer is spending time with God. One cannot come into a relationship with another unless they spend time with the person.

All the great saints have their moments of conversion. Isn’t that being saved? When Saul became Paul. The woman at the well.

Yes, conversion is an important part of salvation. But, as you have demonstrated, even though you were saved in baptism, you are still in need of conversion to God’s way of living. This is true for most of us. Conversion, or bringing our will and lifestyle into line with what God calls us to do is a lifelong process.

Not everyone has one of these epiphany events like Saul of Tarsus. For some it is a long slow process without these great peaks. Everyone’s journey is different.

Repentance is another form of conversion

This is a very wise observation. And it goes hand in hand with the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which supports our process of repentance and conversion through the grace dispensed.

I can share with Padre where I’m at spiritually. I’m being honest.

You can, and should, do this, but this is not the same as confession (especially if you do not have contrition or are ready to make a decision to change). This is one of the major differences between spiritual direction (talking with Padre about your spiritual journey) and the Sacrament. The two can be combined, but you can seek direction without the Sacrament, where you should not seek the sacrament until you are ready.

 

[Jump4Joy]

Do I have to explicitly state I have difficulty in the area of lust? What is the root of the sin of lust?

 

[guanophore]

Do I have to explicitly state I have difficulty in the area of lust? What is the root of the sin of lust?

Your priest can be much more helpful to you if you do so. Believe me, it is nothing new for him!

There are many factors involved where this particular sin takes root. Early sexual abuse is one.

All of these sins (lusts of the flesh) are rooted in a lifestyle/heart that is oriented toward the values and morals of the world/culture in which we live. As we can see in the Didache, written around 96 AD., there are “two ways” to be in this world. One can live according to the flesh, or according to the Spirit.

This is why I wondered if you believed what is written in Scripture. The Scriptures are clear that, if we choose to live the Way of Christ, we will have supernatural help to change our attitudes, values, and behavior to bring them into conformity to Christ. St. Paul wrote about The Way, which is one of the early ways the life of a disciple of Christ was described (before the word “christian” began to be used.