Is conservatism usually on the wrong side of social justice?

[triumphguy]

To repeat:

By the way, I don’t agree with your distinction between socialism and communism. In true full-blown socialism, “society” owns and directs all the means of production. (Society in practice means the State). Communism is the mythical end-state of revolutionary socialism when the entire world is socialist and there is no need for money because there is no longer any scarcity…because it is the worker’s paradise…

There may be more moderate versions of socialism: where the “workers” (i.e., State) own only some segments of production. Or where the means of production are owned by co-ops. Or where the means of production in the hands of individuals, but production is directed by the State (i.e., a dirigisme economy). But it all boils down to the same thing, in different degrees.

One other thing: socialism has its own form of orthodoxy and heresy against that socialist doctrine is not tolerated.

It’s not MY distinction.

It’s a distinction.

It means that socialists are not communists - and come the revolution would probably be shot by communists as traitors to their class.

 

[SamH]

If we accept that conservatism is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions, and that liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality, then I would propose that conservatism is generally on the wrong side of history, when it comes to social justice issues.

What if you don’t accept that misstatement of fact?

 

[Ranp]

Right now, I see liberals attacking the Catholic Church and anyone who believe in traditional family values. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to change the definition of marriage to include sodomy and then misusing the laws to try to force everyone to accept it. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying their hardest to expand abortion (murder) and trying to defend an abortionist who is on trial for murder. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to convince everyone that the government should take away parents rights to decide how to raise their own children. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to take away or prevent giving all parents the option to home school their children or send their children to a private school while wealthy liberal politicians and celebrities prefer to send their own children to a nice private school. I see liberals trying to make euthanasia and death panels accepted by society through an “affordable” healthcare system that is “affordable” because it kills people off. I see liberals making everyone pay for other people’s abortions and so-called “sex change” operations. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I could go on.

Amen! That is why I consider myself a conservative in both Catholicism and politically.

Ran

 

[epan]

Sorry. I got busy with work, and wasn’t able to monitor this thread which I started.

 

[triumphguy]

Sorry. I got busy with work, and wasn’t able to monitor this thread which I started.

I hope things are going well for you, and I do include you and your safety and that of your colleagues in my prayers.

 

[je333]

Right now, I see liberals attacking the Catholic Church and anyone who believe in traditional family values. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to change the definition of marriage to include sodomy and then misusing the laws to try to force everyone to accept it. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying their hardest to expand abortion (murder) and trying to defend an abortionist who is on trial for murder. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to convince everyone that the government should take away parents rights to decide how to raise their own children. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to take away or prevent giving all parents the option to home school their children or send their children to a private school while wealthy liberal politicians and celebrities prefer to send their own children to a nice private school. I see liberals trying to make euthanasia and death panels accepted by society through an “affordable” healthcare system that is “affordable” because it kills people off. I see liberals making everyone pay for other people’s abortions and so-called “sex change” operations. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I could go on.

I am VERY Liberal but nothing of what you said they do, I do…

 

[Robert_Sock]

Right now, I see liberals attacking the Catholic Church and anyone who believe in traditional family values. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to change the definition of marriage to include sodomy and then misusing the laws to try to force everyone to accept it. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying their hardest to expand abortion (murder) and trying to defend an abortionist who is on trial for murder. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to convince everyone that the government should take away parents rights to decide how to raise their own children. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I see liberals trying to take away or prevent giving all parents the option to home school their children or send their children to a private school while wealthy liberal politicians and celebrities prefer to send their own children to a nice private school. I see liberals trying to make euthanasia and death panels accepted by society through an “affordable” healthcare system that is “affordable” because it kills people off. I see liberals making everyone pay for other people’s abortions and so-called “sex change” operations. I don’t see conservatives doing that. I could go on.

Try becoming a humanitarian where you take the good stereotypes from liberalism and conservatism. This would include religious liberties, religious morals, fair immigration policy and subsidies for the aged. Most of what you’re labeling as liberalism is really humanitarianism for those of us here on CAF. If ever there was a political, humanitarianism party, they would win hands down.

 

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