Is copying prayers from Internet on Sunday a sin?

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If you spend every waking second worrying about whether breathing in and out is a mortal sin or not, then you’re doing it wrong.
Exactly. I think that many people focus too much on sin in terms of a distinct act rather than a state of life. Sin is simply falling short of the glory of God. We are all sinners because we all fall short. Everyone wants to know whether they sinned in this situation or that situation, but the reality is that we are all sinners to the core. It is a state, a sickness, and we are infected. The very fact of being human makes us sinners.
 
Exactly. I think that many people focus too much on sin in terms of a distinct act rather than a state of life.
I would say be careful about this. Sin is most certainly a distinct act. That “state of life” concept became popular in the 1970s and went by the name “fundamental option.” This has been roundly condemned.One single act of (mortal) sin by an otherwise good person is enough to cut him off from God’s grace and eternal life.

(Of course, what I’m talking about is way beyond the OP’s concern but I just wanted to add that caution.)
 
Not necessarily. It is very possible for traditional prayers and their English translation to have passed into the public domain over the years. Certainly common prayers such as the Lord’s Prayer and the Hail Mary fall into this type. But liturgical books are copyrighted. You cannot copy the Eucharistic Prayer I, or the Collect of the Second Sunday of Advent, as examples, because they are copyrighted translations by ICEL in the Roman Missal. You cannot copy an entire Psalm out of Christian Prayer because it is copyrighted by Grail.

When copying material off the Internet, it is important to remember that fair use and personal purposes can be considered. If you are not going to redistribute it or share it with anyone, it is likely OK to save a web page or print it out for private devotional use. It is not OK to consider that anything on the Internet is fair game and that it can be copied because you are a catechist in Religious Education or a Director of Music with a choir who needs music. Those distributing worship aids in the church for Mass need to be especially mindful of copyright and licensing so that the parish is not penalized for a public gaffe of infringement after illicitly copying stuff for a year or more.

But if you were just saving prayers found on the Internet for your private devotional use, then I don’t see a problem.
Great! Now I get to add praying to my list of scruples. Does it ever end. Now because it is only “likely OK” I will have to destroy all of my prayers, go out and buy prayer books and never use the internet again. just great.

Why are they putting things on the internet if it is illegal and sinful to pray them or to print or use them or share them with a friend or family member?!?!?!?
It is entrapment to sin!
 
I would say be careful about this. Sin is most certainly a distinct act. That “state of life” concept became popular in the 1970s and went by the name “fundamental option.” This has been roundly condemned.One single act of (mortal) sin by an otherwise good person is enough to cut him off from God’s grace and eternal life.

(Of course, what I’m talking about is way beyond the OP’s concern but I just wanted to add that caution.)
Actually it became popular in the first few centuries of Christian history. It is part of eastern theology. Read some Greek Christian theology and you will see it.
 
Actually it became popular in the first few centuries of Christian history. It is part of eastern theology. Read some Greek Christian theology and you will see it.
It is not Catholic teaching. It is an infallible dogma that all who depart from this life in original sin or personal mortal sin will descend into Hell. God will not spare anyone who has not repented of even one sin. There are many heresies that circulated in Early Christianity, such as Apocastasis.
 
It is not Catholic teaching. It is an infallible dogma that all who depart from this life in original sin or personal mortal sin will descend into Hell. God will not spare anyone who has not repented of even one sin. There are many heresies that circulated in Early Christianity, such as Apocastasis.
If you consider Basil of Caesarea, Gregory Nyssa, Gregory Nazianzen, Maximus the Confessor, Macarius, and several others to be heretics, that is your perogative, but the Catholic Church considers them all saints. And there is nothing heretical about Greek theology. Unless of course you want to condemn the Greek Catholic Church, the Melkite Catholics, The Ukranian Catholics, The Ruthenian Catholics, The Russian Catholics, and some others.

The first sinners God will condemn are the seat jumpers, the prayer copiers and the belly rubbers. Right?
 
Not necessarily. It is very possible for traditional prayers and their English translation to have passed into the public domain over the years. Certainly common prayers such as the Lord’s Prayer and the Hail Mary fall into this type. But liturgical books are copyrighted. You cannot copy the Eucharistic Prayer I, or the Collect of the Second Sunday of Advent, as examples, because they are copyrighted translations by ICEL in the Roman Missal. You cannot copy an entire Psalm out of Christian Prayer because it is copyrighted by Grail.

When copying material off the Internet, it is important to remember that fair use and personal purposes can be considered. If you are not going to redistribute it or share it with anyone, it is likely OK to save a web page or print it out for private devotional use. It is not OK to consider that anything on the Internet is fair game and that it can be copied because you are a catechist in Religious Education or a Director of Music with a choir who needs music. Those distributing worship aids in the church for Mass need to be especially mindful of copyright and licensing so that the parish is not penalized for a public gaffe of infringement after illicitly copying stuff for a year or more.

But if you were just saving prayers found on the Internet for your private devotional use, then I don’t see a problem.
I don’t wish to be uncharitable, but somehow your reply reminds me of the attitude of the Pharasees at the time of Christ who were so terribly concerned over the letter of the law, rather than its intent! Yours is not an answer I would offer a person suffering from immaturity or scrupulosity.
 
Sin as a state or a sickness has never been condemned, and never will be. The image of Jesus as healer is far more central to Christian theology than the western conception of Jesus as judge. The Greek fathers including Athanasius, the Cappadocians, Cyril of Alexandria, Maximus the Confessor, and others all had a strong conception of Jesus as healer, and sin as a state or a sickness.

It is actually central to the concept of the Incarnation. Jesus became man and healed our human nature and made us participators in his divine nature. Through union with the divine nature, the human nature is healed.
 
Sin as a state or a sickness has never been condemned, and never will be. The image of Jesus as healer is far more central to Christian theology than the western conception of Jesus as judge. The Greek fathers including Athanasius, the Cappadocians, Cyril of Alexandria, Maximus the Confessor, and others all had a strong conception of Jesus as healer, and sin as a state or a sickness.

It is actually central to the concept of the Incarnation. Jesus became man and healed our human nature and made us participators in his divine nature. Through union with the divine nature, the human nature is healed.
I must interject here that this is also a teaching held in the western church as well. This is why people speak of being in a state of grace or a state of sin. It is in no way incompatible with the idea of specific acts of sin by which we lose the state of grace an enter the state of sin.
 
You are wrong, in the Day of Judgement we will be judged by every detail of our life. Everything will be revealed in judgement tribunal… One mortal sin is all that is needed for perdition.
It is not Catholic teaching. It is an infallible dogma that all who depart from this life in original sin or personal mortal sin will descend into Hell. God will not spare anyone who has not repented of even one sin. There are many heresies that circulated in Early Christianity, such as Apocastasis.
Yes, but not all grave sins are mortal. For those sins that are mortal there is such thing as implicit repentance. In other words if I spent a decade carousing, fornicating, and living in the ways of the world and later truly repented and confessed but didn’t have a complete and specific catalogue of all of the sins I committed in that time, my confession would validly absolve me of all my sins including those I forgot assuming I did not deliberately withhold anything.
 
I must interject here that this is also a teaching held in the western church as well. This is why people speak of being in a state of grace or a state of sin. It is in no way incompatible with the idea of specific acts of sin by which we lose the state of grace an enter the state of sin.
The conception of sin as a sickness has a very periferral position in the west. The only times I have ever seen it referenced by western Christians is when they are comparing eastern and western theology. They reference this as an aspect of eastern theology.

I don’t think that the state of grace or the state of sin is the same idea or use of the word. Sin as sickness is what I am referring to. The state is a sickness that isn’t healed simply by going to a priest for confession. It is healed over a lifetime of prayer and Grace.
 
The conception of sin as a sickness has a very periferral position in the west. The only times I have ever seen it referenced by western Christians is when they are comparing eastern and western theology. They reference this as an aspect of eastern theology.

I don’t think that the state of grace or the state of sin is the same idea or use of the word. Sin as sickness is what I am referring to. The state is a sickness that isn’t healed simply by going to a priest for confession. It is healed over a lifetime of prayer and Grace.
This isn’t merely peripheral, what you are referring to is known in the west as the lasting effects of sin, which if I had only taken better notes in class I could fill a few threads full of information on the western teachings on the subject. It is categorized as guilt, harm, stain, an a few others I don’t recall off the top of my head.:o
 
Oh, and debt! Sin causes guilt that must be forgiven, stain that must be cleansed, debt that must be paid, and harm that must be healed. I would be surprised if I’m not forgetting something important.
 
Oh, and debt! Sin causes guilt that must be forgiven, stain that must be cleansed, debt that must be paid, and harm that must be healed. I would be surprised if I’m not forgetting something important.
Maybe the concept is included in there. But that is still a different way of thinking than the east. They might both be true, and there might be overlap, but they are different. The east doesn’t really speak of a debt to be paid, or even guilt in the way the west does. They focus more on sickness. Just as cancer is a sickness of the body, sin is a spiritual sickness. And the medicine is the Eucharist. There is more of a legal emphasis in the west. Different terms are used.
 
Different terms are used.
Largely because one is built upon the Latin language, and the other is based on the Greek.
Maybe the concept is included in there. But that is still a different way of thinking than the east. They might both be true, and there might be overlap, but they are different. The east doesn’t really speak of a debt to be paid, or even guilt in the way the west does.
I certainly hope that there is a miscommunication between us, because Jesus spoke both of debt and guilt.
They focus more on sickness. Just as cancer is a sickness of the body, sin is a spiritual sickness. And the medicine is the Eucharist.
This is definitely in line with western spirituality. If I may quote Pope St. Pius X:
The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X:
A. The Sacrifice of the Mass is offered to God for four ends: (1) To honour Him properly, and hence it is called Latreutical; (2) To thank Him for His favours, and hence it is called Eucharistical; (3) To appease Him, make Him due satisfaction for our sins, and to help the souls in Purgatory, and hence it is called Propitiatory; (4) To obtain all the graces necessary for us, and hence it is called Impetratory. …
30 Q. What are the effects which the Most Holy Eucharist produces in us?
A. The principal effects which the Most Holy Eucharist produces in those who worthily receive it are these: (1) It preserves and increases the life of the soul, which is grace, just as natural food sustains and increases the life of the body; (2) It remits venial sins and preserves us from mortal sin; (3) It produces spiritual consolation.

31 Q. Does not the Most Holy Eucharist produce other effects in us?
A. Yes; the Most Holy Eucharist produces three other effects in (1) It weakens our passions, and in particular it allays in us the fires of concupiscence; (2) It increases in us the fervour of charity towards God and our neighbour, and aids us to act in conformity with the will of Jesus Christ; (3) It gives us a pledge of future glory and of the resurrection of our body.
Now I’ll be the first to say that the words are much different than you might use, but the concept is there.
There is more of a legal emphasis in the west.
But a different emphasis is hardly the same as a different substance.
 
People get so tangled up in semantics, it’s ridiculous.

Ask yourself this:

Who is the prayer meant for? What did the author of that prayer intend by putting it up on the Internet?

Did he intend that it be a piece of literary art, for viewing only? Or did he intend that the prayer be prayed by people who read it.

If you can reasonably conclude that a prayer on the Internet is there to be prayed by people, then it is in the public domain.

The Eucharistic Prayers are not to be prayed by the general public: they’re there for priests. If you see it on the Internet, while it’s clearly there for understanding in one’s personal use (since by the time you read it, it’s already downloaded onto your PC) it’s not for anything else.

Other prayers… they’re almost certainly public domain because the authors put them there for the benefit of the public. I’ve composed prayers and posted them on public forums. I would be horrified if someone felt they couldn’t then print them out and either pray them later or give them to a friend because of their scruples.
 
I’m assuming that the OP’s worry isn’t about copyright laws (or at least it wasn’t until someone brought it up!), but about “working” on Sunday. Unless it’s for your actual job or school, I would say perusing the internet is leisure activity.

In Christ,
Ellen
 
Are the prayers under copyright? If so, you are violating the law. I am not sure if it is a sin. It is a violation of law whether it’s on Sunday or any other day.
 
Are the prayers under copyright? If so, you are violating the law. I am not sure if it is a sin. It is a violation of law whether it’s on Sunday or any other day.
who in the world copyrights a prayer?

I think the OP was talking about work on Sunday.

OP, no its not even grave. Therefore, its not mortal.
 
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