Is Dan Cathy a bigoted homophobe?

[IrishRush]

I’ve never eaten one of their chicken sandwichs and never will.

But I’m wondering, if a gay couple walk into one of their stores, will they take their money, or are they principled enough to say Get thee hence with thy sinful ways

Or do they take gay couples money with a smile and a have a nice day

Sarah x

Because an individual, when asked, spoke honestly of his views, he is now being vilified as a bigoted homophobe. At no point in his interviews did he say he was against gay people eating, whether in his establishment or out. How would selling them a meal go against his principle that marriage is between a man and a woman? Aren’t you reaching just a bit here? The two instances are completely unrelated. The man has his belief and opinion, to which is is constitutionally entitled (despite what the local politicians are doing) and that likely has no effect on his business practices. Now if you were to ask him if he would cater a gay marriage reception, my bet would be that he would say no. Otherwise, I would think this has no impact on how he runs his fast food business.

 

[atheistgirl]

When this happens remember that we never tried to imprison them.

I have no doubt Catholics on the whole wouldn’t want that to happen, but I’m reminded of the smaller Church groups who to this day stone and burn homosexuals because it says to do this in the OT.

Reading several religious fora as I do, there are ‘‘Christians’’ who would happily see every homosexual person got rid of, by any means necessary.

Sarah x

 

[dixieagle]

A phobia is a fear of something. I find it ridiculous to call pro-marriage & pro-family individuals homophobes. We are not afraid of homosexuals. Catholics are taught to embrace everyone. Because we do not embrace gay sex does not mean we fear gays. I wish people would get it straight!

This!!!

 

[livingwordunity]

I have no doubt Catholics on the whole wouldn’t want that to happen, but I’m reminded of the smaller Church groups who to this day stone and burn homosexuals because it says to do this in the OT.

Based on what Catholic teaching? You do realize that we have more than the OT don’t you? There’s that whole thing about Jesus in the New Testament that I’m sure you’ve probably heard about. And with that we have the Magisterium which is our guide for how we interpret scripture.

Reading several religious fora as I do, there are ‘‘Christians’’ who would happily see every homosexual person got rid of, by any means necessary.

That has nothing to do with what the Catholic Church teaches. It makes no sense to criticize a religion based on those who don’t follow it. Anyone can call themselves a “Christian”. Some who do are actually atheists who see Christianity as more of a cultural thing and not a religion. But the Catholic Church is the only one founded by Christ and is therefore the only one whose teachings come from Christ and can be judged as such.

 

[atheistgirl]

Based on what Catholic teaching? You do realize that we have more than the OT don’t you? There’s that whole thing about Jesus in the New Testament that I’m sure you’ve probably heard about. And with that we have the Magisterium which is our guide for how we interpret scripture.

Why would a small African Pentacostal Church care about Catholic teaching

Yes I’m well aware of the NT and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

That has nothing to do with what the Catholic Church teaches. It makes no sense to criticize a religion based on those who don’t follow it. Anyone can call themselves a “Christian”. Some who do are actually atheists who see Christianity as more of a cultural thing and not a religion. But the Catholic Church is the only one founded by Christ and is therefore the only one whose teachings come from Christ and can be judged as such.

The Orthodox Church would have issues with those claims of yours.

Sarah x

 

[meltzerboy]

A phobia is a fear of something. I find it ridiculous to call pro-marriage & pro-family individuals homophobes. We are not afraid of homosexuals. Catholics are taught to embrace everyone. Because we do not embrace gay sex does not mean we fear gays. I wish people would get it straight!

Maybe the term “homophobe” refers to an irrational, excessive, and persistent fear of homosexual behavior rather than homosexual people.

Just curious: when you say “I wish people would get it straight!” is there an intentional pun in that statement?

 

[livingwordunity]

Why would a small African Pentacostal Church care about Catholic teaching

Yes I’m well aware of the NT and the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

The Orthodox Church would have issues with those claims of yours.

Sarah x

The Catholic Church can’t be held responsible for every one who calls themselves a “Christian”. Outside of the Catholic Church people go from one extreme to the other because they have no authentic teaching authority to interpret scripture, and they are cut off from the roots of the faith. I can only speak for what we as Catholics believe. It would be fair to stick to one form of Christianity at a time when judging since Catholicism and Protestantism are like day and night.

 

[meltzerboy]

I have no doubt Catholics on the whole wouldn’t want that to happen, but I’m reminded of the smaller Church groups who to this day stone and burn homosexuals because it says to do this in the OT.

Reading several religious fora as I do, there are ‘‘Christians’’ who would happily see every homosexual person got rid of, by any means necessary.

Sarah x

In which country do smaller church groups stone and burn homosexuals today?

 

[meltzerboy]

This question is primarily for “liberals” or those who renounce the traditional idea of marriage. I’m wondering if someone can oppose same-sex marriage without being “bigoted” or “homophobic”? In other words, must Dan Cathy (and others) abandon his Christocentric beliefs to avoid the wrath and fury of homosexual men and women?

As a liberal, I happen to have no problem with gay marriage. However, I also support people’s right to oppose gay marriage based on their religious beliefs. I never heard of Dan Cathy before now.

 

[atheistgirl]

In which country do smaller church groups stone and burn homosexuals today?

You could check out what’s happening in Uganda, but also nearer to home.

Sarah x

 

[PRmerger]

Based on what Catholic teaching? You do realize that we have more than the OT don’t you? There’s that whole thing about Jesus in the New Testament that I’m sure you’ve probably heard about. And with that we have the Magisterium which is our guide for how we interpret scripture.

Not to mention we have reason, biology, and natural law to tell us that homosexual behavior is wrong.

 

[PRmerger]

Maybe the term “homophobe” refers to an irrational, excessive, and persistent fear of homosexual behavior rather than homosexual people.

Yes, that is certainly what it means.

But it certainly does NOT mean: those who oppose homosexual behavior based on reason, biology, natural law, God’s Revelation.

 

[stewstew03]

You could check out what’s happening in Uganda, but also nearer to home.

Sarah x

No disrespect intended, but the story you linked looks… not real? Do you have a more reliable source? It seems like a story such as the one you posted would be (1) investigated by the FBI as a hate crime, and (2) reported on heavily by all the mainstream media.

Also, you were implying that smaller church groups in America target gay people and stone/burn them - you probably want to walk that one back.

In any event we can probably agree that all people - including members of the LGBT community - should be treated with dignity and respect.

 

[atheistgirl]

No disrespect intended, but the story you linked looks… not real? Do you have a more reliable source? It seems like a story such as the one you posted would be (1) investigated by the FBI as a hate crime, and (2) reported on heavily by all the mainstream media.

I’m pretty sure you can google the guys name and details if you were really interested. It takes like a second - in fact, you can do it and find related articles quicker than the time it took you to write what you did.

Why do you think it doesn’t look real? Because it’s on a Gay site?

Here’s some other links to the story you might find more credible then

projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/fbi_hate_crime_charges_unlikely_in_atlanta_arson?gid=7315

times-georgian.com/view/full_story/11117158/article-Arson-of-gay-man-s-home-probed-as-hate-crime?instance=TG_home_story

Also, you were implying that smaller church groups in America target gay people and stone/burn them - you probably want to walk that one back.

I didn’t imply that so nothing to walk back here. I don’t generally take a narrow view of the main Christian Church groups but include all Christian Church groups that I’m aware of or have read about, unless I’m talking about something specific to one group, such as the Catholic Church.

Same as I mostly refer to a Deity, rather than the Christian God, because when people say God, they’re generally refering to the Abrahamic one, but I’m well aware of the claims for others existence.

In any event we can probably agree that all people - including members of the LGBT community - should be treated with dignity and respect.

On this we can absolutely agree.

Sarah x

 

[stewstew03]

I’m pretty sure you can google the guys name and details if you were really interested. It takes like a second - in fact, you can do it and find related articles quicker than the time it took you to write what you did.

Why do you think it doesn’t look real? Because it’s on a Gay site?

Here’s some other links to the story you might find more credible then

projectqatlanta.com/news_articles/view/fbi_hate_crime_charges_unlikely_in_atlanta_arson?gid=7315

times-georgian.com/view/full_story/11117158/article-Arson-of-gay-man-s-home-probed-as-hate-crime?instance=TG_home_story

Okay, thanks. I was searching on the FBI site because they usually have press releases about their hate crimes and didn’t find one for Carrollton, GA.

I didn’t imply that so nothing to walk back here. I don’t generally take a narrow view of the main Christian Church groups but include all Christian Church groups that I’m aware of or have read about, unless I’m talking about something specific to one group, such as the Catholic Church.

Okay

On this we can absolutely agree.

Great!

 

[PRmerger]

From Jimmy Akin:

ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/are-you-a-hater-or-a-bigot-or-are-you-just-intolerant/

And this:


Ay, yi-yi! The double standard! :sad_yes:

 

[St_Francis]

meltzerboy;9569988:

In which country do smaller church groups stone and burn homosexuals today?

You could check out what’s happening in Uganda, but also nearer to home.

Sarah x

…I didn’t imply that so nothing to walk back here. I don’t generally take a narrow view of the main Christian Church groups but include all Christian Church groups that I’m aware of or have read about, unless I’m talking about something specific to one group, such as the Catholic Church…

In which case, you need to be much clearer in what you intend to say. In answer to the question In which country do smaller church groups stone and burn homosexuals today? you linked to an article which attempted with *no *evidence to link “christians” with an attempted murderous arson.

No agenda here? Give me a break!

 

[atheistgirl]

In which case, you need to be much clearer in what you intend to say.

Thanks - but I’ll continue to express myself as I see fit, and clarify things if needed.

No agenda here? Give me a break!

Nope.

No agenda.

But thanks for making the assumptions and projecting your bias and judgementalism.



I somehow doubt the incredibly noble and holy man your sn is based on would approve

Sarah x

 

[Seeker1961]

I’ve never eaten one of their chicken sandwichs and never will.

But I’m wondering, if a gay couple walk into one of their stores, will they take their money, or are they principled enough to say Get thee hence with thy sinful ways

Or do they take gay couples money with a smile and a have a nice day

Sarah x

They take it happily from the disney employees every Thursday-in fact, they even give us a discount! They don’t seem to mind that many Disney employees are gay and some of those gay employees are even married! Those married gay employees get the same discount as this celibate gay employee. (I only tried it once, found the chicken and fries to be soggy-love the shakes though)

Mr Cathy can believe and say whatever he wants-but so can those who disagree with him. That’s what free speech means. It does not mean that either side can say what they want without consequences.

 

[atheistgirl]

Mr Cathy can believe and say whatever he wants-but so can those who disagree with him. That’s what free speech means. It does not mean that either side can say what they want without consequences.

Totally agree

Sarah x