Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part 4.0

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It has the advantage of tying everything together in a way which allows for further study and insight. Does ID actually add anything to our understanding of anything?
In more than 150 years, evolutionary biology has contributed nothing at all to applied science - zilch. That’s because evolutionary biology is 100% theory, none of which can be tested or verified - in other words, it’s just talk and story-telling. Theorising about how life supposedly evolved from microbes is a useless as theorising about the Tooth Fairy. It’s about time you realized this fact.
 
Even with such scanty evidence they have to agree that the fossil record shows abrupt appearance over and over, then stasis and variation withing.
Hmm, sounds suspiciously like what one would expect if Creation is true.
 
Yes , God does use evolution create some things example : tadpole to frog, caterpillar to butterfly, but notice God’s evolution only takes a couple of weeks… not millions of years.
This is Punctuated Equilibrium!
 
The difference is… Americans didnt slowly mutate for millions of years to become Americans
My sister spent three months in the US and came back (to Australia) with an American accent. Evolution can work that fast!
 
As one who is not a fan of deChardin, the Vatican’s issue with him had nothing to do with evolution but a lot to do with his stance on the “noosphere”. But that was then and this is today…
I wouldn’t trust P. T. de Chardin on anything. He sounds very much like one of Satan’s Little Helpers to me. Quel damage!
 
Thanks, but I’ve heard it all before. I believe it’s only a matter of time before the Church declares (ex cathedra) that microbe-man evolution is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Perhaps it would be wise to prepare yourself for the shock.
 
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Feduccia’s answer:
… The corn in Mexico, originally the size of the head of a wheat plant, has no resemblance to modern-day corn. If that’s not evolution in action, I do not know what is.
So the corn in Mexico got bigger - big deal - it’s still corn! Humans have become bigger over the centuries - big deal - they’re still humans! This increase in size could be classed as some kind of “evolution”, sure, but it has nothing to do with apes turning into humans or reptiles turning into birds, etc. But evidently Feduccia thinks it does, so why trust someone so deluded?

How does Feduccia go from saying “Archaeopteryx … is a bird, a perching bird” to “Archaeopteryx is half reptile and half bird”? The two quotes are irreconcilable.
 
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You keep saying that. But in order for you to say that, you have to ignore the millions of pages of contributions available with a simple google search, the many thousands of pages of published articles with interesting finds, the developments in dating techniques which help us understand the world better, and so on. Scientists aren’t making stuff up just for hoots-- they’ve laid a careful trail of evidence, experiment, and peer reviews over about a hundred years now.

I’ve got all that on my side, and you have. . . what, exactly? What does ID actually DO? What’s the value? What does it tell us about anything, at all, that we can observe? Nothing.
 
Here’s an example. Whales have finger bones. Why?

Evolution: whales come from an ancestor that had use for fingers.
ID: Goddidit. He’s cleverly re-using body parts. . . even ones which a particular animal has no real need for.

Evolution: our blind spot comes from the way the eye evolved as an extension of the brain, and here’s how.
ID: Goddidit.

Evolution: Birds are very similar to dinosaurs, and must have evolved from them
ID: Nuh huh
Evolution: Hey, look! We found dinosaurs with feathers! It’s nice being right!
ID: Oh, THOSE. Those were birds all along; you just foolishly thought they were dinosaurs because they looked exactly like dinosaurs, laid dinosaur eggs, and were found in the same regions and rock formations as other dinosaurs. We knew that, we just didn’t bother mentioning it.
Evolution: Look at that. Our studies allowed us to learn something. Let’s keep investigating and learning.
ID: . . . Goddidit.
 
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I think some people are conditioned to use the word evolution when it’s not necessary.
It’s all part to the deceptive and misleading word-games Darwinism employs. The idea is to use a demonstrable fact like corn being bred to be bigger to establish “evolution” as true. Having done that, the same word, “evolution”, is then applied to the untestable theory that apes turned into humans beings, for example. The aim is to psychologically link the two forms of “evolution”, in the hope that both will come to be thought of as factual. And it works! … but not on everyone.
 
There is a high body count. Between 10% and 30% of fertilized zygotes fail to develop and result in a miscarriage. Others develop further, but result in a stillbirth. Many of those failed developments are due to genetic defects in the zygote/embryo. That is one of the ways that natural selection removes ‘incorrect’ mutations from the gene pool.
I was referring to those that mutated and lived and died but were not successful in long term propagation. Those that died out after a few generations .
Nature includes natural selection. Natural selection preferentially spreads the beneficial mutations through the population and preferentially reduces the deleterious mutations: “If your parents didn’t have any children then the chances are you won’t have any either.”
And we should be seeing lots and lots of neutral mutation survivors too. In the first phase, the beneficial survivors would be few in numbers and perhaps easily extinguished by changes in environment in that their existing advantaged trait may render them non- beneficial anymore when the environment changed again. Assuming that by many stokes of luck the environment continues to favors those with the advantaged trait, it takes many many generations for the trait to become fixed. While not forgetting Haldane’s Dilemma, the neutral mutations continue to exist in far greater numbers relative to the beneficial mutations. Hence, we should see lots of body count from the neutral pool. The beneficial pool is small and rare initially.
We are seeing the evidence. We have fossil evidence and genetic evidence. Do not trust creationist and ID websites, they lie by omission.
I don’t care much about creationist and ID. I care for evidence. Body count evidence will support evolution. Stats don’t lie. Yes we can all be patient and wait for evidence but still there should be some sort of a time limit for a theory to be proven.
We overlapped with earlier members of Homo: Neanderthals, Denisovans and perhaps Floresiensis. Some people today have DNA from Neanderthals (most Europeans do) and from Denisovans. Linnaeus originally classified Chimpanzees as members of genus Homo, though that was later changed.
If you looked at the sequence for the evolution of modern man, you see

Ardipithecus → Australopithecus->Homo habilis->Homo erectus-> Neanderthal/Homosapiens, a straight line. We shouldn’t be seeing that. Mutations should branched out from every node. There will be unsuccessful mutations and successful ones. A tree. Not a straight line. And body counts at every unsuccessful branching.
 
We do. There are caves with both H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis bones present, though IIRC the two species were in different layers as different groups moved in and out of the caves. As I previously mentioned, the presence of a little Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in some modern humans confirms that the species overlapped and interacted. Dating the remains shows that H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis overlapped in Europe by over 5,000 years. I do not have dates for the overlap in Asia where some Neanderthals also lived.
While neanderthal remains to be debated as whether they are a sub species of homo sapiens, why are there not more of the branching out of sub species? Where are the neutral mutations? The apes remain living among us today, but where are those homo sub species? One should see some of them around but it seems like they have conveniently died out. Evolution theory would suggest these sub species should remain living among homo sapiens for quite some time while waiting for homo sapiens to get fixed into the population. But the bones don’t show such coexistence. The bones show clear stratification when a species arise and when they went extinct. There is no tree. 5000 years of overlap is nothing in evolution time scale. Noise can easily account for that.
 
To be fair you could say the same thing of evolutionists.
Oh hey look, a finger, why does that exist?
Because creatures with a finger survived, duh.
 
The evolution of cacti, for example, has been studied and quite satisfactorily explained, although in this case there is little supporting evidence from the fossil record.
Good point. The evolution of the Tooth Fairy has been studied and satisfactorily explained too, although in this case there is little supporting evidence from the fossil record.

However, the trouble with evolutionary explanations is, none of them can be put to the test.

Question: What is a theory that can’t be tested? Answer: Nothing more than a useless, pointless story.
 
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To be fair you could say the same thing of evolutionists.

Oh hey look, a finger, why does that exist?

Because creatures with a finger survived, duh.
Evolution can explain everything - all one needs is a very vivid imagination and a penchant for junk science.
 
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