Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part 4.0

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Yes, and that is exactly where the issue lies. The very same evidence can be interpreted differently. What is the tie breaker?
And the very same piece of scripture can be interpreted differently as well. Both theistic evolutionists and young earth creationists claim to have interpreted scripture correctly.

In science the tie-breaker is evidence from the real world. I will leave the religious tie breaker up to you.

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My point is when someone declares “we didn’t come from monkeys” they are being loose with the details. They are not entirely wrong though.
 
That is why Catholics go to the Magisterium. Private interpretation is what protestants do.
 
Evolution and Gravity are both explanations for observed phenomena
They are of a totally different class. Gravity is not an explanation but rather a name given to the fact that things fall. Infants in high chairs who cannot yet speak know about gravity, laughing as they play the pick it up daddy game. Contrast this with evolution that required Darwin to spell it out.
 
Are you now narrowing your definition of evolution? No one argues micro-evolution as you know.
No. Macro-evolution is also a change in the genome of a population. There was once a single population of equids. The population genome of those equids changed so that there were two sub-groups, one taller, the other shorter. Rather than drifting back together these two sub-groups moved further apart in genome-space until interbreeding became difficult and later produced only sterile crosses. So horses and donkeys are now two separate, though very closely related, species.

The existence of mules shows that the two species are very closely related; mules are sterile so there is no gene transfer between the two.

All this can be done with small changes in population genomes.

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Three satellites confirmed the earth is in a special place in the universe. This was repeated each time with more sophisticated instruments. This increases our confidence that it is correct. (observable, repeatable and predictable)
It most definitely is, as the location of the incarnation of the Word of God, and with the orientation of the planets stars that announced the birth and death of our Lord to a humanity that gazed at the stars for meaning, I don’t know what you mean by satellite data.
 
That is why Catholics go to the Magisterium. Private interpretation is what protestants do.
AIUI the Catholic Magisterium allows TE, OEC and YEC interpretations of Genesis. In that particular case, even Catholics have to fall back on private interpretation. The various discussions between Catholics on this thread show that. The Magisterium has been quoted on both sides.

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Yes. Darwin’s Theory of Evolution is true; however no theory is perfect. There are some flaws in the theory and I will point out two. Firstly, besides Natural Selection, there exists in nature its opposite: UNNATURAL SELECTION. Secondly, while organisms EVOLVE under favorable circumstances, they can also DEVOLVE under unfavorable circumstances, for example by unnatural selection. In other words evolution works both ways and not always for the betterment of a species.
 
Yes, the current proposal is just that. But let’s not forget, all land animals supposedly started out in the ocean. Before that, clusters of single-celled organisms.
 
What difference does it make?
Are you referring to the fruit trees/marine animals thing? If observation shows that fruit trees came before marine animals then evolution is wrong. If observation shows that marine animals came before fruit trees then the bible is wrong.
What’s more, if observation shows that marine animals came before fruit trees then the bible is wrong in that respect, but could be right elsewhere; but if fruit trees came before marine animals then the whole of evolution would come tumbling down. You’d like that. Pity it isn’t going to happen!
 
and how will we go about observing that?
We cannot, of course observe one kind of organism predating the other directly. Which is why I used the words “shows that”. The earliest fossil fruit found is about 52 million years old, and the earliest marine animals date from about 600 million years ago. This is wholly incompatible with the Genesis account.

I expect you know his very well and have the next question ready to fire, but I’ll wait for it!

By the way, I have watched the two videos with interest and found the experience rewarding. However I am at a loss to see how either of them support any kind of spontaneous creationism. Quite the reverse, I should say. Denis Noble’s physiological contribution solves one or two problems, and makes evolution even more secure as a valid explanation for our observations.
 
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We know they are how old how? The rocks they were found in.

Despite this? “The number of possible interactions , the number of possible circuits you could form 25,000 genes is 10^70,000. There wouldn’t be enough time over the whole billions of years of the evolution of life on earth for nature to have explored but more than a tiny fraction of those.”

Could be you and some others here:
“The great majority of people we are talking to were educated in biology 30 or 40 years ago and they really have no idea of the sea change that has occurred.”
 
We know they are how old how? The rocks they were found in.
Yey! I knew that was coming. Will the fact that younger fossils are usually found above older fossils do as an explanation? Or the fact that the radioactive decay of older rocks is greater than that of younger rocks?
Despite this? “The number of possible interactions , the number of possible circuits you could form 25,000 genes is 10^70,000. There wouldn’t be enough time over the whole billions of years of the evolution of life on earth for nature to have explored but more than a tiny fraction of those.”
Can’t you see the absurdity of this? There are about a million words in a language, and a book is about fifty thousand words long. The total number of possible books is therefore a million to the power of fifty thousand. There isn’t enough time… And you’re absolutely correct!
Could be you and some others here:

“The great majority of people we are talking to were educated in biology 30 or 40 years ago and they really have no idea of the sea change that has occurred.”
You may be correct, but some of us have had to keep up with advances in science as part of our jobs, which includes subscribing to, and reading, journals and magazines, and paying for papers behind paywalls.
 
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That is accurate. Once the earth began to cool, the composition of the rock is unknown. The distribution of minerals is unknown. The amount and types of radioactive elements is unknown. Polystrate fossils, which penetrate many layers of rock, vertically, especially in the case of tree trunks, are ignored.
 
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