Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three

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The experimenter builds the apparatus which contains a photomultiplier, an extremely sensitive light detector, which can multiply the current produced by light 100 million times, allowing the detection of individual photons as they pass through a slit. The detection causes the wave interference pattern to be replaced by that produced by individual particles. The observer acts through the technology isolating the particle from its previous unity within the whole light beam.

Makes sense?
 
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Techno2000 said:
But… he had to wait 4 billion years for evolution to create Man
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God turns bread and wine into Christ’s body and blood in an instant, but took four billion years of evolution to produce man … makes so much sense.
 
benjamin1973 said:
I’m developing more respect for the Catholic community overall. There seems to be a lot more latitude and open thinking than I’ve experienced from other kinds of Christian in other forums.
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But some Catholic are ignorant, science-hating, fundamentalist Neanderthals - the ones who reject the truth of evolution, for example. Some of these fools even take the Bible seriously! And believe in the devil!
 
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We are, under ANY view, Earth animated by the energy of the sun and its interactions with air and organic molecules, and made fluid enough to move around with water.

Even abiogenesis matches the story of Adam and Eve pretty well-- except that instead of it literally starting with Adam and Eve created ex nihilo, it starts with organic molecules suspended in water warmed by the energy of the sun (that being the “breath”), and a billion years-long evolutionary process arriving at humanity, possibly a single breeding pair, as our ancestors.
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Irrational, deluded, atheist nonsense. aka superstition.
 
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That’s what dogs do, not what humans should do. It is not a moral but instinctive choice.

A cow chewing the grass in a meadow is a much more pleasant image. Unless one is a blade of grass, I suppose.

Animals have no eternal soul, they die and there is no more suffering. We on the other hand, know we have this one life, one chance spread over typically eight decades of moral choices, up until the last moment, to get it right for all eternity.
 
When one stands at the side of a pond, the observer determines if the light reflects off the surface or the bottom.
 
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I’m agreeing with the Bible that people are made of clay. So is rossum. Are you so eager to pick a fight that you’ll even argue with someone who’s agreeing with a point?
 
Aloysium said:
That’s what dogs do, not what humans should do. It is not a moral but instinctive choice.
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The Scriptures state that all animals were created vegetarian, so before the Fall, dogs didn’t eat meat and cute little lambs.

There is also this prophesy in Isaish 11, that alludes to the restoration of creation:

“6 The wolf shall dwell with the lamb: and the leopard shall lie down with the kid: the calf and the lion, and the sheep shall abide together, and a little child shall lead them.
7 The calf and the bear shall feed: their young ones shall rest together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp: and the weaned child shall thrust his hand into the den of the basilisk.
9 They shall not hurt, nor shall they kill in all my holy mountain, for the earth is filled with the knowledge of the Lord, as the covering waters of the sea.”

This passage suggests carnivory was not part of God’s original creation.
 
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benjamin1973 said:
It’s hard, but I feel if you can really get your brain around it, you’ll see plenty of “pores” in modern physics which a Catholic can interpret in religious terms with good effect. No need to cling to ancient scripture when modern science is so compatible with your views!
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Wow that video is mind boggling, there almost a spiritual dimension to the particles, like the particles themselves are beings with intelligence and intellect. Almost like angels or something. The potentiality of the waves reminds me of St. Thomas Aquinas’s act and potentially in his summa theologica. Thanks for sharing!
 
benjamin1973 said:
I’m agreeing with the Bible that people are made of clay.
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So there’s no difference between a human being and a clay pot?

The word “Adam” literally means “earth” or “clay”. So I suggest God called the first man “Adam” because he was made from earth, not a pre-existing creature.
If Adam was the offspring of a hominid, why didn’t God call him “Hominid” or “Primate” or “Monkey-Boy”?
 
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Actually… this is the vague part : “it starts with organic molecules suspended in water warmed by the energy of the sun”
 
Yep. To be honest, it was largely early studies with QM that led to me now declaring as agnostic rather than atheist.
 
I’m not a chemist. Organic molecules don’t mean living, they refer to compounds with carbon in them, the carbon giving special chemical properties. Methane, for example, is a hydrocarbon (composed of carbon and hydrogen). Disclaimer: I’m not a chemist, I just know this because I googled it.

I don’t think the formation of organic molecules on Earth, or arriving from space, is considered spiritual in the Catholic tradition, so there’s probably not much need to talk about it.
 
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Again, I’m not an expert.

The idea is that in a chemically complex environment in water, molecules are bumping around. Sometimes molecules bond chemically; if it’s a weak bond, the new chemical may break down quickly. If it’s a strong bond (for example, if it’s a protein), it will persist.

This is really similar to the idea of species evolution, but at a pre-life scale: those patterns which persist tend to accumulate in the environment. Those larger molecules which are persistent interact with each other, sometimes forming even more complex molecules-- and some of those persist, and so on. So in the right environment, you expect that more and more complex compounds will develop.
 
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molecules are bumping around.
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I ain’t gonna bump no more with no big fat woman
I ain’t gonna bump no more with no big fat woman
I ain’t gonna bump no more with no big fat woman
I ain’t gonna bump no more with no big fat woman…

 
Glark said:
The obvious sense of the passage is that Adam - life - was created from clay - non life.
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No. Life (fish and birds) had already been created on day 5, Adam was on day 6. Life already existed before Adam. And of course, God is alive, so life had existed from eternity.
Glark said:
If Adam was the offspring of a pre-existing creature, why didn’t God just say so?
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If life involves deoxyribonucleic acid, why didn’t God just say so? If Australia exists, why didn’t God just say so? The Bible leaves out a huge amount of detail. You cannot read much into what the Bible leaves out.

rossum
 
Glark said:
Before the Fall, golfs balls went straight, didn’t wear out and floated in water.
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Floated? No, before the Fall they didn’t need to float because they never went into the water. Every tee shot was a hole-in-one! 😀

rossum
 
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