Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three

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And this can be perceived exactly from a review of what took place.

For land creatures were changed into water creatures,

and those that swam went over on land.
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It’s not an explanation, nor even particularly a description of evolution, which is focussed on random changes of the genome and mere survival within the environment as what shapes diversity. It may be describing adaptation.

But the bottom line is how we came into existence. That is the reason why this thread exists - how it happened and the implications. You have not addressed this central point of the thread, which makes the truth of Darwin’s theory, compared to any scientific theory, important and worthy of discussion on a religious forum.
 
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It’s not an explanation, nor even particularly a description of evolution, which is focussed on random changes of the genome and mere survival within the environment as what shapes diversity. It may be describing adaptation.
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Sure, as we mentioned random doesn’t mean God wasn’t the First cause or it wasn’t within his design plan. God can create random things too, and I’m sure he definitely intended things to be random. We have random numbers that humans create on purpose, same deal.
Aloysium said:
But the bottom line is how we came into existence. That is the reason why this thread exists - how it happened and the implications. You have not addressed this central point of the thread, which makes the truth of Darwin’s theory, compared to any scientific theory, important and worthy of discussion on a religious forum.
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I brought forward a scripture that seems to support the pro side of “Is Darwin’s Theory of Evolution True? Part Three” pretty well. How do you suppose I didn’t address the central point of the thread? It isn’t just about human origins, even though it is among the most important of topics in relation to evolution.
 
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It’s all about human origins - who we are, the purpose of our existence, why we suffer, why Jesus became one of us and died on the cross and our final destiny. Darwinism not only has no answer, but it actively steers the faithful away from the Truth by replacing it with a materialistic myth which enables sin. Had creation taken place in a manner anywhere close to what it proposes, it would have made it into Genesis, the beginning of God’s dialogue with mankind.
 
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It’s all about human origins - who we are, the purpose of our existence, why we suffer, why Jesus became one of us and died on the cross and our final destiny. Darwinism not only has no answer, but it actively steers the faithful away from the Truth by replacing it with a materialistic myth which enables sin. Had creation taken place in a manner anywhere close to what it proposes, it would have made it into Genesis, the beginning of God’s dialogue with mankind.
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This thread is not all about human origins, though important in itself.

It doesn’t steer people , people steer people.

How do you figure it would be in Genesis, God didn’t have to reveal evolution, just like he didn’t have to reveal Mary’s immaculate conception in the Gospels.
 
There are numerous contentious issues in science, but they are not discussed here because this is a Catholic forum. The only important part of Darwin’s theory, the only one worth mentioning here that has any value in terms of our relationship with God, is how He brings us into existence as one humanity in Adam and Christ.

Darwinism is bad science in my opinion, which I have discussed in a number of posts. But, that is not why I reply here. I wouldn’t care except that such stories do impact on how we see ourselves and how we see ourselves determines how we treat ourselves and others, and what we do determines who we are for all eternity.

Yes, people steer people and indoctrination is one method that is used currently within the school system to steer people towards the atheistic underpinnings of evolutionary theory.

I don’t understand what you are trying to say in your final point. It sounds contradictory. I think it obvious that God would speak to Mary through the Archangel Gabriel and that she would pass it on to us. It would be equally important for Him to tell Adam of his creation and that it too would be passed on. If Adam had been some sort of transformed animal, it would have been important and made clear. But the truth is something else.
 
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It is not opinion. He is conveying the constant and firm teaching of the Church, as I have shown over and over for 13 years here.
 
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Aloysium said:
Darwinism is bad science in my opinion, which I have discussed in a number of posts. But, that is not why I reply here. I wouldn’t care except that such stories do impact on how we see ourselves and how we see ourselves determines how we treat ourselves and others, and what we do determines who we are for all eternity.

Yes, people steer people and indoctrination is one method that is used currently within the school system to steer people towards the atheistic underpinnings of evolutionary theory.
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Yes!!!
 
Genesis could read:

In the beginning God created a single lifeform so small it could not be seen. I breathed life into it and over eons of time and randomness all the creatures came from this one seed, etc…

But it does not. What it says is quite different. They were created mature.
 
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It is not opinion. He is conveying the constant and firm teaching of the Church, as I have shown over and over for 13 years here.
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You have not shown that because you have not cited official Magesterial documents, or if you have, you cited documents that don’t prove what you want without your creative interpretation.
 
I most certainly have provided Magisterial documents. Perhaps you have willingly ignored them.

The church has made pronouncements against evolutionary type thinking since the beginning.
 
Aloysium said:
There are numerous contentious issues in science, but they are not discussed here because this is a Catholic forum. The only important part of Darwin’s theory, the only one worth mentioning here that has any value in terms of our relationship with God, is how He brings us into existence as one humanity in Adam and Christ.
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I believe it enlightens us to who God designed us to be. The great doctor of the Church Thomas Aquinas teaches us that we are rational animals, part rational, part animal. He recognizes that we share an animal nature, which in no ways diminishes our rationality or God’s image in us, because Jesus became a part animal as well.
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Darwinism is bad science in my opinion, which I have discussed in a number of posts.
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What is your criteria for bad science? Because just saying so doesn’t make it so, or help me understand why you think so.
Aloysium said:
Yes, people steer people and indoctrination is one method that is used currently within the school system to steer people towards the atheistic underpinnings of evolutionary theory.
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There are no underpinnings, atheistic or religious, it is a scientific theory. Some hijack it for atheism, others see it is compatible with the faith and even proves God’s wisdom, goodness, and beauty.
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I don’t understand what you are trying to say in your final point. It sounds contradictory. I think it obvious that God would speak to Mary through the Archangel Gabriel and that she would pass it on to us.
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I’m not talking about the conception of Jesus, but the immaculate conception of Mary free from original sin. That isn’t in the Bible, but part of our tradition, and made explicit much later.

Your point seems to be if it wasn’t revealed already, it isn’t true or important, but it doesn’t work that way.
 
buffalo said:
Genesis could read:

In the beginning God created a single lifeform so small it could not be seen. I breathed life into it and over eons of time and randomness all the creatures came from this one seed, etc…

But it does not. What it says is quite different. They were created mature.
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Where is the word mature or fully formed come in? Again we are back to the six literal days, was that 24 hour days or eons?

Even Jesus didn’t come fully mature, he developed from an egg to a baby and that baby grew up to a man, just like all life. Nothing just came fully formed.

I think order and randomness are a false dichotomy. Randomness can be just as much a proof for God as order can be. Randomness does not equal Godlessness.
 
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The Universe is a miracle, is it not? Why do you have to view miracles only as walking on water or changing water into wine? If you are a true believer, then everything must be considered miraculous, down to the last whisker on your chin.
 
Does the Bible say so? Does it specify that he was created fully formed as an adult male?
 
It could have mentioned a lot of things. It could, for example, have explained how Noah got land animals from the Americas to swim across the ocean (which would have taken months for some of them) in time to get them into a boat to save them from the flood.
 
Look back at my posts…

Lurkers and posters - vote up if you have seen Magisterial links, proclamations or documents.
 
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