Is Darwin's Theory of Evolution True? Part Three

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A whole lotta death for so long to arrive at Adam.
If it is an objective reality that evolution is the way God made it, then you are questioning God for why all that death to arrive at Adam. The Bible never says there was no death before Adam, or that it was just a short time before Adam.
 
Romans 5:12:

New International Version
“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned–”

New Living Translation
“When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.”

English Standard Version
“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—”
 
Yep. In the beginning there was no Earth, then the Earth formed. This is fact. In the beginning of the Earth there were only soil, water, air and sunlight. This is fact.

The material that makes us obviously doesn’t come from the air. We know that 100% of our nutrients come from the soil, and that 100% of our energy comes from the sun. Something happened to bring them together: to allow the soil to take such a form that it was capable of consuming and moving using the sun’s energy.

I think if you take the sun’s energy as God’s breath, then the Adam and Eve narrative is allegorical, but captures the essence of the creation of life. If you consider that in order for life to occur, the Universe had to be set up in such a way that material COULD be animated by the sun’s energy, and could even come to have subjective experience, then we’re pretty much done here IMO.

There’s no need to dig through ancient texts to find mystery worthy of our gratitude. Here I am-- I live, I breath, I feel and think. The rest is just details, something to do to stay interested and engaged for the 80 or 100 years that I get to appreciate it.
 
New International Version

“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned–”
So animals experienced physical death because Adam sinned? Are you sure that was the case? Because from archeology and paleontology we see death has a long history, way before man appears.

The context and meaning is talking about spiritual death, not physical death. Even Mary without sin died physically.
 
“The Catholic Church teaches as dogma that the Virgin Mary “having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory”.[5] This doctrine was dogmatically defined by Pope Pius XII on 1 November 1950, in the apostolic constitution Munificentissimus Deus by exercising papal infallibility.[6]”
 
“The Catholic Church teaches as dogma that the Virgin Mary “having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory”.[5] This doctrine was dogmatically defined by Pope Pius XII on 1 November 1950, in the apostolic constitution Munificentissimus Deus by exercising papal infallibility.[6]”
Well according to some private revelations I read, she did die, because she wanted to go through the portal of death just like everybody has to go through.
http://themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm
 
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Hindus usually have no problem with the theory of evolution - that is the way the Gods create.
As I have been saying, evolution is not a new idea. Initially, Satan introduced the lie of evolution through false religion (paganism). But in the 19th century he introduced via a new medium - science (although it is really quasi-religious pseudo-science).
 
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No mention of the vestigial organs of snakes having legs?
It seems that the serpent that deceived Eve in the Garden initially had legs. As punishment, God said it would thereafter crawl on its belly - ie, it lost its legs.
 
There’s no need to dig through ancient texts to find mystery worthy of our gratitude. Here I am-- I live, I breath, I feel and think. The rest is just details, something to do to stay interested and engaged for the 80 or 100 years that I get to appreciate it.
God gave us the Bible and a description of creation for a reason. It’s not an irrelevance.
 
So animals experienced physical death because Adam sinned? Are you sure that was the case? Because from archeology and paleontology we see death has a long history, way before man appears.
It’s possible there was a creation that existed before the Adamic creation, which was destroyed (probably by a global flood (see Genesis 1:2)). This may account for what science has discovered deep in the earth (assuming scientists honestly and objectively interpret the evidence, which is not necessarily so).
 
Yes, if he wanted to try to show evolution in the Bible you’d think a vestigial organ would be something cool.

But yes, that is the crux of the issue: death. Disease. All before man came. Then one must either think this was punishment done in foreknowledge, or that Adam and Eve did so on some different plane of existence.
 
Then one must either think this was punishment done in foreknowledge, or that Adam and Eve did so on some different plane of existence.
Perhaps creation from eternity where the past and present, this entire universe comes into being with the original sin involving the tree of knowledge and that of eternal life, at the Centre of creation, where we are to be one in Christ - the cross and the resurrection - one eternal moment ripped apart in time, here and now in our choices to love or not, this journey back to God.
 
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mystery worthy of our gratitude
That’s a big source of the emptiness in atheism - no one to thank, or to ask, to share our innermost feelings, our happiness, shame and guilt.
something to do to stay interested and engaged for the 80 or 100 years
A life lived for oneself, cannot but end swallowed by oblivion, its transient and illusory satisfactions disappearing with the end of one’s presence within the flux of time. So, to be lived in the moment is all that one will enjoy. And, when the interest wanes, when the engagement is with pain alone, the final surrender to death being all that is left, let it be quick rather than the gradual decline into confusion, with little if any capacity to move, clean and feed oneself.

Alone at the centre of one’s life, it is all pointless except for power and love - the two directions of transcendence of all that which would subject the will. Life allows us to choose whether we live for ourselves or for others. Ultimately, it is a matter of whether or not this life is lived for ourselves or for whom It is that grants us existence.

Put that in your evolutionary soup. 😉
 
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Doe the Bible say that God gave that book to us, or that He has attested to its accuracy?
 
Catechism - pretty Magisterial

“Each for the other” - “A unity in two”

371 God created man and woman together and willed each for the other. The Word of God gives us to understand this through various features of the sacred text. "It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a helper fit for him."242 None of the animals can be man’s partner.243 The woman God “fashions” from the man’s rib and brings to him elicits on the man’s part a cry of wonder, an exclamation of love and communion: "This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh."244 Man discovers woman as another “I”, sharing the same humanity.

It also means Adam could not mate with any other pre-existing animals.
First of all, I was not claiming that Adam mated with any other pre-existing animals.

As to your main point, I wonder why the Catechism uses quotes around the word “fashions?” If this were meant in a straightforward literal sense there would be no need for quotes around the word. That to me says that this word is not being used in its normal sense. It is also significant that the phrase “(that) God fashions from the man’s rib” is used only as a modifier of “The woman” and not as a direct statement of doctrine. It appears to me that this paragraph of the Catechism is not intending to establish dogma on how Eve was created. The point of this paragraph is to establish that man and woman are made by God to be for each other and are meant to complete each other’s life in unity. The physical details of how God accomplished that is not established as a point of dogma in this paragraph. To conclude that it is relies too much on a parenthetical phrase when it should rest on a declarative statement.

As to the uniqueness of Adam and Eve as the first and only human parents of all humans, that has been established with declarative statements, which you have posted numerous times, and is doctrine. If the details of “Eve from a rib” was also meant to be included in this dogma, it would have been mentioned in the same document. But it was not. The Church has never placed as much importance on Adam’s rib as it has on the uniqueness of Adam and Eve.
 
The Bible says all creatures were created as vegetarians. How and why did many of them become carnivores?
Are you referring to Genesis 1:29-30?
See, I give you every seed-bearing plant on all the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit on it to be your food; and to all the wild animals, all the birds of the air, and all the living creatures that crawl on the earth, I give all the green plants for food.
It says God gave them plants, doesn’t mean they ate the plants, or that they ate only the plants. It doesn’t mean the animals started eating animals after Adam sinned, or anything of the like.
 
It’s possible there was a creation that existed before the Adamic creation, which was destroyed (probably by a global flood (see Genesis 1:2)). This may account for what science has discovered deep in the earth (assuming scientists honestly and objectively interpret the evidence, which is not necessarily so).
Okay, so Gen 1:2 says
and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters
So it was formless, without any form whatsoever, yet animals could inhabit it? That doesn’t make sense. The only other thing existing at Gen 1:2 is “water” which may not be H20 exactly. Animals weren’t even created yet, and neither was any form for them to live on, and the dinosaurs most definitely lived on land.
 
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