Is deception a real power?

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The devil is said to have the power of deception.

Is deception a real power, or is it just the lack of the power of truth?

If deception is a power, wouldn’t that mean satan is more powerful than God in at least one aspect?
 
BenSinner said:
The devil is said to have the power of deception.

Is deception a real power, or is it just the lack of the power of truth?

If deception is a power, wouldn’t that mean satan is more powerful than God in at least one aspect?
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Is a shadow more powerful than the light that casts it?

A shadow can never overtake a light, it can only be destroyed by the light. Likewise, the ability to deceive is a shadow of the ability to tell the Truth. Deception can never destroy the truth because it is merely the truth’s shadow, a lack of truth in a given instance. in the end, the light will always overtake the shadow.
 
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BenSinner said:
The devil is said to have the power of deception.

Is deception a real power, or is it just the lack of the power of truth?

If deception is a power, wouldn’t that mean satan is more powerful than God in at least one aspect?
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That is real power. The conception of evil as lack of good is a misconception.
 
Satan’s deception offered an alternate view of creation in which the lower faculties could find satisfaction unburdened by the rule of intellect.
Deception has power in as much as the person that recieves it wants to satisfy this disorder.

It’s power manifested most obviously to our first parents who believed a false reality that usurped the proper order of their soul and body.
The disorder caused movements of the body, once voluntary, to become involuntary. Involuntary movements of the body informed the intellects of Adam and Eve of their fallen state. It caused them shame and the need to cover themselves and hide from God.
 
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Not if you believe that the first deception considered by the human intellect was a presentation of God as a being that lacked good.

The source of it’s power comes from belief only. It’s existence is entirely contingent on the belief of the one being lied to. A false perception of reality. It has no power in reality.
So, just as others posted, it’s a shadow.
 
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Benadam said:
Not if you believe that the first deception considered by the human intellect was a presentation of God as a being that lacked good.

The source of it’s power comes from belief only. It’s existence is entirely contingent on the belief of the one being lied to. A false perception of reality. It has no power in reality.

So, just as others posted, it’s a shadow.
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Deception has causal power. It makes you feel or think accordingly. Therefore it is real.
 
Real power lies only in Truth. Deception is like original sin: a lack of truth - something missing.
 
That would indicate that they are equal opposites, would it not? Not so. One is complete; the other deficient.
 
Yeap. Deception is contingent on Truth.
Truth is just fine without being lied about.

SST, Why are you taking deception’s side with this thread?
 
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That would indicate that they are equal opposites, would it not? Not so. One is complete; the other deficient.
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Bad lie is deficient too compared to perfect lie. Perfect lie exists and has causal power.
 
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Benadam:
Here’s the thing though.

No Truth. No lie.
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That is not follow. We could be completely mislead by lies.
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If we are completely mislead, what aren’t being lead too?
 
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Benadam:
Here’s the thing though.

No Truth. No lie.
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That is not follow. We could be completely mislead by lies.
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Mislead---------> to lead in a wrong direction

you said we can be completely mislead by lies

I answer: if we are lead in a direction that is completely wrong, then there must be a direction that is completely correct…

so I asked you: what aren’t we being lead too?
 
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Truth is the baseline. If there were no deception at all, Truth would still exist. However, deception requires the existence of Truth. If there were no Truth then thete could be no ‘deception’ because deception is defined as the act of convincing a person of something that is not true. That requires there to be an actual Truth.
 
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Benadam said:
Mislead---------> to lead in a wrong direction

you said we can be completely mislead by lies

I answer: if we are lead in a direction that is completely wrong, then there must be a direction that is completely correct…
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Yes. I agree.
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so I asked you: what aren’t we being lead too?
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We are being lead to lies. We aren’t being lead to truth.
 
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