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Robert_Sock
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Is God in control or not? Do we live in a make-believe world?
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andremiguel
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Yes, He is in control.
No, we do not live in a make-believe world.
What makes you think that?
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GEddie
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- No, the world is as solid as you or I, more in fact.
(Header). Yes, democracy is an illusion. In fact, our country never claimed to be or establish a democracy.
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TheRealJuliane
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We do not live in a democracy, since that is mob rule.
We live in a constitutional federal republic, with democratic features. It is very important to know the difference.
We live in a constitutional federal republic, with democratic features. It is very important to know the difference.
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Skeptic92
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Yes and No, now onto the question you asked in the title…
Democracy in the modern world is an illusion as no country is truly a Democracy. The United Kingdom is a Constitutional Monarchy, with a democratically elected Lower House, the United States is a Federal Republic, France is a Secular Republic, Spain is a Monarchy etcetera. However who would want to live in a true democracy, as Aristotle said Democracy is the tyranny of the Masses a corrupt and perverted form of Government that we should not aspire to.
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Robert_Sock
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What’s the difference between the make-believe of children and that of adults? The answer is that children usually know the are just pretending!
“…once you see the price they paid, you’ll join the masquerade”
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GEddie
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Did he not say though, that democracy was the best Govt. that it was possible to attain? Or was that somebody else?
Personally, I prefer the one who said: “Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.”
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Robert_Sock
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I agree that a true Democracy would never work.
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Skeptic92
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He said that it was the best of the perverted Constitutions, and it was the most practical but will always fall to corruption by it’s very nature. He never said that democracy was the best form of government, just that it was more preferential compared to the other 2 we tend to have (tyranny and I forget the other one
), but if it is possible we should always look to attain one of the 3 Just Constitutions not look to attain one of the perverted forms and call it quits.
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andremiguel
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There are 3 things:
- the make-belief of children, for instance, playing police and thieves;
- The make belief of adults, for instance, Star Wars;
- The real world.
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Robert_Sock
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For children it’s one; for adults it’s the fantasy within this world.
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exnihilo
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Apparently democracy is an illusion since many claim the US is not one and yet is making war on nations to make them democratic like us. There is truth to those statements if we mean by democracy a government where everyone votes directly on all laws. But that would be the technical definition and not the common one.
I would however say that government tends to be an illusion because people imagine those in power as having complete power. This is never true in any system. The officials in any government certainly do have power but even if they are the head those under them have some degree of power. And those outside the system have power (these are often business interests). This is true in a republic like the US and a kingdom. President Obama answers in part to the voters but more so to the military establishment, universities, corporations and other organized powers. The kings of old had great power, but so did the lesser nobleman and at one time the church. I would say that all systems are an illusion if we imagine the officials to have sole power.
I would however say that government tends to be an illusion because people imagine those in power as having complete power. This is never true in any system. The officials in any government certainly do have power but even if they are the head those under them have some degree of power. And those outside the system have power (these are often business interests). This is true in a republic like the US and a kingdom. President Obama answers in part to the voters but more so to the military establishment, universities, corporations and other organized powers. The kings of old had great power, but so did the lesser nobleman and at one time the church. I would say that all systems are an illusion if we imagine the officials to have sole power.
I think your definition of democracy is very accurate. As I recall Aristotle said monarchy was the best, then aristocracy, then democracy. For each form he had a similar type of government that was the perverted realization. I think he thought that having unity of purpose was ideal and thus a monarchy best achieved that.
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andremiguel
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Well, I think that the child distinguishes between the food he eats and the plays he plays. Like adults.
No, this world is not a make believe. Look to think that this world is a make belief you must be in firm ground. that is your thinking and reflection. So your thinking is not a make belief.
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someperson555
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yes, it is. democracy can not exist and has not ever truly existed. democracy always degenerates into an oligarchy or plutocracy. ofcourse i speak mainly of parlaimentarian democracy. the main problem with democracy is that thoughtful educated decisions are replaced by the dead weight of the masses.
so instead of having one person in charge who is educated, you have a mob rule. the politicians in a democratic system are opportunists who only care about getting paid, they dont really care about the people they preside over. and rarely is anyone ever held accountable for their actions while in office.
and even if you hit the president lottery and get someone in office who genuinely cares about the people (i.e JFK) he still would be unable to get anything done since he would first need the approval of the majority of congress. so things stagnate at best.
a possible alternative solution to democracy would be an autocracy, something like in Plato’s republic, where the leaders are selected based on their knowledge and the leaders should not get paid.
so instead of having one person in charge who is educated, you have a mob rule. the politicians in a democratic system are opportunists who only care about getting paid, they dont really care about the people they preside over. and rarely is anyone ever held accountable for their actions while in office.
and even if you hit the president lottery and get someone in office who genuinely cares about the people (i.e JFK) he still would be unable to get anything done since he would first need the approval of the majority of congress. so things stagnate at best.
a possible alternative solution to democracy would be an autocracy, something like in Plato’s republic, where the leaders are selected based on their knowledge and the leaders should not get paid.
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Robert_Sock
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I believe that secularism is godless and that it is make-believe in this respect.
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