Is discrimination a right or a sin?

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Catholics are often accused of discrimination by the LGBTQI+ movement, which brings me to the discussion on is discrimination a sin or a right? Should we be inclusive or exclusive? Should we be tolerant or discriminatory?
 
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The accusation of discrimination is from both sides as we do to them they also do to us, but me personally would hope that we can all learn to get along, respect & love each other regardless of our differences.

Tolerance over discrimination
Inclusion over exclusion
Love over hatred
 
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Regardless of the topic, when it comes to discrimination or any such thing, we are to remember the commandment we’ve been given: love one another. What others do to us is irrelevant in that, and I personally find it hard to reconcile discrimination with loving someone.
 
We should be something far superior to either tolerant or discriminatory: Charitable. Many who labor with all forms of sin are not aware that they are loved - do not or cannot believe that they are lovable. Our challenge is to present them with love so that they may then respond both to and with love.
 
@ImQuiet the acronym LGBTQI stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning and Intersex
 
@Josethecatholic do what Jesus would do and say - different conversation dependent on the situation - some thoughts on different discussions could be said by Jesus:
  • I love you because I created you !
  • I understand rejection, for I was rejected.
  • I also understand temptation, for I was tempted.
  • I want more for you than just temporary, physical satisfaction.
  • I understand wanting a different identity.
  • I want more for you than just temporary, physical satisfaction.
  • I want the eternal best for you, and when you ask me, I will be here for you!
For some, LGBTQI I believe is as a result of epigenics and this can be seen from early toddler-hood (ie mothers hormones ie androgen levels) - I know of a few. Whilst others it is a chosen path due to bad experiences in relationships or significant trauma in childhood/teenage or adult life - I know too of a few.

Whilst the Catholic’s do not see sexual orientation as a sin in itself. The Church calls all Catholics who identify as LGBTQI to Chasity (10 Commandments: 6 and 9). It does ask from fellow parishioners to accept of each fellow parishioner to be treated with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

Hope this helps you.
 
Josethecatholic said:
Catholics are often accused of discrimination by the LGBTQI+ movement, which brings me to the discussion on is discrimination a sin or a right? Should we be inclusive or exclusive? Should we be tolerant or discriminatory?
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There is just and unjust discrimination.

If you are LGBTQI it really should have no bearing on, for example, whether you should be given accommodation at a hotel or service at a restaurant. So it would indeed be unjust discrimination to refuse someone accommodation or service solely because they are LGBTQI. And the Catechism condemns this sort of unjust discrimination, so.it would be a sin.

On the other hand, as Catholics we believe that marriage is a sacrament ordained by God to be between one man and one women, and in fact is not valid if it is not. So it is not only the right but the duty of a Catholic priest to refuse to marry same-sex couples if asked. This is an example of just discrimination.

I hasten to add that prieats also would ordinarily refuse to marry couples who are both non-Catholic, couples where one or both is already validly married to another and the like , without being accused of unjust discrimination in such cases
 
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LilyM said:
There is just and unjust discrimination.

If you are LGBTQI it really should have no bearing on, for example, whether you should be given accommodation at a hotel or service at a restaurant. So it would indeed be unjust discrimination to refuse someone accommodation or service solely because they are LGBTQI. And the Catechism condemns this sort of unjust discrimination, so.it would be a sin.
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Actually, the Catechism is silent on what “just” and “unjust” discrimination are, and can be and often is interpreted to mean that any form of discrimination is “just”, including imprisonment. The placement of the word “unjust” in this passage is therefore problematic and makes the passage mean the opposite of what it seems to mean at first glance.
 
I am not sure if it is a ‘sin’ per se, but it certainly isn’t right to discriminate anyone, even if you disagree with their lifestyle.

The fact that a lot of gays claim to be discriminated by Christians (cake shop owners etc.) is another story.
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@ImQuiet the acronym LGBTQI stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Questioning and Intersex
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You seem to get a different acronym depending on who is doing it. Warwick University in England seems to think is is LGBTUA+. You can learn more about that acronym on their ‘Pride’ page.
 
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Actually, the Catechism is silent on what “just” and “unjust” discrimination are, and can be and often is interpreted to mean that any form of discrimination is “just”, including imprisonment. The placement of the word “unjust” in this passage is therefore problematic and makes the passage mean the opposite of what it seems to mean at first glance.
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The reality whcih people forget is that we discriminate all the time - not letting blind people drive is patently discriminatory as is not letting Catholics be Rabbis. The question therefore of whether it’s just or unjust is important, since some discrimination is clearly just. At the same time, tolerance and discrimination aren’t mutually exclusive,. We should have respect for the inherent human dignity of all people and speak about and treat them in accordance with this. When it comes to LGQBTI issues, we also need to separate the action from the inclination, recognising that we are all sinners in need of God’s mercy (we also shouldn’t presume sin). So I agree that it would be unjust (in principle) to refuse service to someone based solely on their sexual orientation where those service are available to the general public (e.g. making a cake, prisingin wedding invitations, etc). Of course, when it comes to marriage, a couple can only marry in a Catholic church in a Catholic ceremony with its associated rules which require the bride and groom to be a woman and a man. (and for one party to be Catholic). that doesn’t mean though that, for example, the child of same-sex parents couldn’t be baptised or receive the sacraments any more than the children of unmarried or remarried parents.
 
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Actually, the Catechism is silent on what “just” and “unjust” discrimination are, and can be and often is interpreted to mean that any form of discrimination is “just”, including imprisonment. The placement of the word “unjust” in this passage is therefore problematic and makes the passage mean the opposite of what it seems to mean at first glance.
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The reality whcih people forget is that we discriminate all the time - not letting blind people drive is patently discriminatory as is not letting Catholics be Rabbis. The question therefore of whether it’s just or unjust is important, since some discrimination is clearly just. At the same time, tolerance and discrimination aren’t mutually exclusive,. We should have respect for the inherent human dignity of all people and speak about and treat them in accordance with this. When it comes to LGQBTI issues, we also need to separate the action from the inclination, recognising that we are all sinners in need of God’s mercy (we also shouldn’t presume sin). So I agree that it would be unjust (in principle) to refuse service to someone based solely on their sexual orientation where those service are available to the general public (e.g. making a cake, prisingin wedding invitations, etc). Of course, when it comes to marriage, a couple can only marry in a Catholic church in a Catholic ceremony with its associated rules which require the bride and groom to be a woman and a man. (and for one party to be Catholic). that doesn’t mean though that, for example, the child of same-sex parents couldn’t be baptised or receive the sacraments any more than the children of unmarried or remarried parents.
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So, the children of same-sex parents can be baptized in a Catholic Church? Is that a hard and fast rule, or is it situational?
What if Protestants wanted their child baptized in the Catholic church - is that allowed?
 
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