Is Distributism utopian?

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This has GOT to be sarcasm. Please say it is so.
While I wouldn’t have put it exactly that way, and it is over simplified, the basic idea is sound.
Does anybody really think we need more Bank of America and fewer local independent banks? Are we really better with massive health care bureacracies than we were when doctors had their own practices?
Both the Bank of America and a local bank are corporations, and to insist on one or the other but not both is a false dichotomy. That said, the original poster is correct: some economies of scale can only be realized with large corporations, not small ones.

I would disagree that this requires that large corporations need to be given “more power”, but I would agree that excessive taxation, excessive regulation, excessive governmental control is a bad thing, as it prevents a large corporation from achieving those economies of scale. So instead of “more power”, I would use the phrase, “less taxation and less regulation.”
It would indeed be difficult for a local Joe to produce a competitive car or consumer electronic. But an awful lot of what goes into the economy is NOT improved by the involvement of corporate bureacracy and profit taking. Do you really want to have to call IBM to have your laptop upgraded or Halliburton to have your home plumbing fixed? (shudders).
In point of fact, however, you really do have to work with a large corporation to get your laptop upgraded or your plumbing fixed. That laptop would not exist were it not for some of the largest corporations on earth (Intel and Microsoft), and to be able to upgrade it even an “independent” contractor is in reality only the tip of a very large iceberg, most of which is made up of large corporations.

Please remember that all corporations must take profit, but that a large corporation can take a smaller profit than a smaller company, and reduce overall costs by leveraging economies of scale not available to a mom and pop shop.

As for “corporate bureacracy”, well, that is simply the nature of any corporation, or indeed any group of people, and while a smaller corporation can have less of it, that is only because they also provide less service and/or goods.
But that IS the direction we are going in this country with excessive regulation and bureacratization. Contrary to much populist political rhetoric, these things do NOT spread the wealth, they concentrate it and create an economic environment where only the ‘big boys’ are able to play.
“Spreading the wealth” is not necessarily a moral thing to do, contrary to the moral code of progressive politics. Theft is “spreading the wealth”. Just because the thieves are in the majority, and thus in an overly democratic system, have the power to force the owners of said wealth to “spread it”, does not make that spreading moral. Which is why America was supposed to be Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

That said, I would agree that only large corporations can afford to pay for the political clout necessary to try to protect themselves from legislation and/or regulation designed to force them to “spread the wealth.” They can also better afford to make full use of an overly complex legal system, where a small corporation may not be able to. Thus as governmental power over the people rises, the emergent property is that corporations have to spend more and more of their profits trying to influence and/or defend themselves against the government.

But if the problem is too much government, then focusing on the size of corporations is entirely beside the point. Our focus should be on reclaiming our liberty, not in learning how to be better and better beggars at the feet of an ever more powerful and bloated government bureacracy.
Distributism, properly implemented is not repackaged socialism. Property and productive assets remain in private hands. The system would just be set up differently so that larger corporations would have to pay MORE in taxes, would grant corporations LESS rights than individuals and other incentives to offset the dehumanizing aspects of corporate capitalism.
With all due respect, you would cure the disease by making it more virulent, and forcing everybody to catch it.

In point of fact, distributism is just repackaged socialism, as you’ve described it here. The difference between the classical form of socialism vs. distributism is a fairly important distinction between “ownership” vs. “real control.” The issue of “ownership” was important when classical socialism was invented, because the associated “real control” was assumed at that time to be an intrinsic and inseparable aspect of ownership. Yet decades of increasingly obtrusive government regulation and interference have demonstrated that “ownership” is irrelevant, and that “control” is what separates a free political economy (a constitutional republic plus a free but mildly regulated market) from socialism (a systematic form of national slavery).

You can “own” something on paper, but if government reserves the power to tell you what to do with that something, how to do it, and when you can do it, that ownership is a mere paper fiction. Control still lies with government, and thus you have socialism.

Where your system fails is in its lack of justice. Why should a large corporation (that already pays more in taxes than a small one) pay even MORE in taxes, just because they are large? This kind of targeted legislation aimed at placing special burdens on a special class is not justice, and down that path lies making special rules for black persons, or females, just because they are black or female. There is a reason that lady justice is usually portrayed as wearing a blind fold.

Out of space, so will stop here.
 
With due respect, corporations do need human beings if only as consumers of their products. And the picture you draw of a world in which human beings exist to serve the needs of impersonal, profit-driven economic entities sounds rather nightmarish.
Corporations ARE people. This propaganda of painting corporations as soulless machines is just that: propaganda. Corporations are started by people, hire people, have people as suppliers, and people as customers, and are at the end of the day exhibit the properties that are the direct reflection of that collected group.

Please, let us start having a more honest conversation. If you want to complain about corporations, start by recognizing that your complaint applies to every group of people, including unions, political parties, governments and yes, religious groups. Picking out a particular class to target while pretending that other groups are intrinsically different runs a huge risk of being unjust.
 
What I have been thinking about lately is that when you have a chain store in a community, the profits leave the community and are spent elsewhere. This bothers me, but I don’t know much about it. Does anyone else?
The profits do not leave the community. The community benefits by growing much larger. That is what an increase in the size and scope of a market means: that the community gets bigger.

The problem lies not in the size of the community, but in not scoping the community to the same boundaries as the over all governing authority.

When a trading community becomes trans-national, the differing laws and regulatory climates can cause the community to segregate. This is what the Holy Father was trying to say in his “Truth in Charity”, that for a free market to be a just market, it must have a single over-arching legal and regulatory environment to avoid the emergent property of the exploitation of people who have less just governments and/or regulatory systems.

Failing that, we need to adjust the movement of people, services and goods across a much more tightly controlled border in order to “virtualize” the existence of said single authority (to, in effect, motivate other governments to create a similar legal and regulatory climate as ours, or vice versa, to remove our excessive laws and regulations).
 
Speaking here for myself and not for distributism (as I do not know their stance on this), I would personally like to see large publically-owned companies broken up and sold. The stock holders would thus be reimbursed, and the parts of the company would then be locally owned smaller companies, which would be owned by very small groups of people or by a cooperative of the employees.

This would not be a government seizure per se, but probably governments at the various levels would be needed to oversee everything.
And here-in lies the fatal flaw of distributionism. As described here, it is nothing more than a form of primitivism.

The result of doing this in 1900 would have been the destruction of most of the technological advances of the 20th century. Nearly every material thing you own and cherish is the result of large, publicly owned corporations.

By the way, what would you reimburse the stock holders with, and what good would it do for a small company to own, say, four desks, six chairs, and two telephones?

How, on the other hand, would you break up a chip manufacturing company or a medical device manufacturing company into small pieces? There is a minimum size a corporation can be and still produce things like MRI machines that are safe, effective and cheap enough for a large number of hospitals to purchase and use. As another example, the cost of producing a Xeon processor, or an entire boxed motherboard is not something that a small company can sustain.

What made the Model T affordable was the creation of a LARGE corporation that used economies of scale to good effect.

The new generation of large corporations are less ecologically damaging and more efficient than a large number of smaller companies trying to do the same thing (think Google and Amazon as examples).
 
Thinking more about it, some form of distributism could be advocated by aiming at the formal regulation of property independent of size. What might not be wrong is to say, that if someone owns something he is responsible for it. And for that it must be possible to trace that responsiblity from “it” to a certain “him” in a way. It must be at least in theory possible to know the owner of something and understand in what way the owner might have abused his property.
While I’m not certain what right anybody else has to define “abuse” of property, and stick their nose into anybody else business, I would point out that in point of fact, corporate personhood IS how you determine responsibility.

That is why removing corporate personhood might be a very, very bad idea. It eliminates corporate responsibility, and thus eliminates the right of one “person”, to sue another person (be they individual human, or corporate persons)
 
The profits do not leave the community. The community benefits by growing much larger. That is what an increase in the size and scope of a market means: that the community gets bigger.
For the sake of simplicity, let’s say you have a community with a grocery store, a fabric shop, a shoe store, etc.

Walmart comes in with a grocery section, a fabric section, a shoe section, etc

The other stores end up closing down, and all the community is left with is WalMart.

Well, then,'before WalMart, the local owners made a profit, and they spent it locally.

After, WalMart makes the profit and disburses it to the stockholders who are all over the country.

As you can see, the profits leave the locality and are spent elsewhere.
The problem lies not in the size of the community, but in not scoping the community to the same boundaries as the over all governing authority.
I think I do not understand this because I don’t know what you mean by scoping.
 
This is one way to conceive of taxation. One could also think of it as a means of discouraging certain behaviors.
And here-in lies the injustice. Before discouraging a behavior, make sure said behavior is one you have the right to discourage. “Because I don’t like it” is not sufficient reason, nor does it bestow right.
This is too narrow a definition of capitalism, I think, for general use. I regard distributism as a form of capitalism.
I disagree. Distributism, depending on how defined, is either a form of socialism, or a form of feudalism. It is most certainly not capitalism.
I would caution against too narrow a definition of distributism. The Wikipedia page is a decent place to start.
I’ve read it, hence my assessment above. In the 1600s, distributism was by means of licenses granted by the crown, or by one’s Liege Lord.

Further more, the Wikipedia page references various encyclicals and “Church Social Teaching” as if they are authoritative, and/or granting of only a single interpretation and implemenation. While encyclicals are well worth the time to study, and in general they are very well thought out and very good scholarship, they are not authoritative. Nor is there such a thing as a single “Church Social Teaching” except in the abstract, and that teaching is more a description of the Church’s moral philosophy, than a set of policy or implementation decisions. Different Catholics will interpret and try to implement that teaching in radically different ways, of course, and therein lies the discussion.
If this is true, it does not mean that this is the only way such a result could be brought about. I don’t believe that it is impossible for the Chinese, or any people for that matter, to prosper without foreign investment.
I’m not quite sure what you are referring to here, but I would caution against taking an old thing, relabeling it, then calling it something new.
The Church does not hold that the right to private property is absolute. At any rate, I think you will find that most distributists do not advocate outright confiscation.
Straw man argument. I don’t know of any free market advocate who has EVER made such a claim. I would counter by saying that the Church is firmly opposed to arbitrarily targeting unpopular groups and then imposing punishments on them out of greed or lust especially when such greed and/or lust has been relabeled as “Social Justice”.
Certainly, if you believe that taxation and regulation are inherently wrong, then you will not be comfortable with distributism. I would recommend An Essay on the Restoration of Property for a balancing view.
I would counter by saying that imposing additional taxes on specific individuals or groups within a society is indeed inherently wrong. Progressive taxation, or punitive tax burdens placed on those who are wildly successful is inherently evil, just as imposing special tax burdens on a person because they were black or female would be inherently wrong.

To avoid injustice, laws should be uniform, applied universally, and only be created when they can be applied universally. Special laws for special groups is just a form of state slavery lite.

A socially just tax is one that is a percentage of one’s income, applied the same to everyone, and is used solely to act to the immediate and direct benefit of everyone. Anything else is a form of creeping apartheid.

Which is how the Bible suggests tithing: 1 part in 10 for everyone, not 1 part in 10 for the middle class, but 9 parts in 10 for the rich.
 
I don’t know what you’ve done with all these quotes. I do know you know less about Distributism than you know about the dark side of the moon based on your personal visit there.

The Distributist would not, as you postulate, favor the big box retailer due to product or service (if you think you get service in a big box then you deserve that level of service)

Well this creats a problem, you are dictating to me where to buy. What i will do is try the big box and if it is less and the service better, big box wins. You have nothing against that do you? And do you think I make a wise choice in this case?

The Distributist would say: We’re perfectly willing to compete on product, price and service but government, PLEASE DON’T GIVE TAX INCENTIVES TO THE BIG BOX STORE TO UNDERCUT US!

**I am with you 100% on that. What makes you think in any way that capitalism is a proponant of that? We free-marketers are absolute, positively against governemtn involvement in business in any way shape or form. We are against the government giving money, giving loans, giving land giving anything to anyone. We are particularly opposed to taxes; if we had our way, there could be no tax incentives because there would be no taxes. You provide us with an example of calling something it is not and then pitting people against what is good. A is B, B is bad so do not have an A. **

Do you think a level playing field is fair, Mr. Castien?

The day you find a level playing field I want to know about it.

Or do you prefer the big box, subsidized store?

It is immoral to subsidize a company if the funds come from government. Taxing me, stealing my money to help an enterpise is wrong; 1. It is ineffecient and 2. It is immoral. In many business decisions I have found that larger organizations have better prices especially if the commodity has an elastic demand; e.g., industrial chemicals. On the other hand, when a product has an inelastic demand, the best provider does not tend to be large who has the better deal as quality of product and service vary immensely

I suggest you visit WIKIPEDIA and search Distributism, and read the papal encyclicals linked there while you’re at it. This vapid defense of Capitalism (which you mean as free enterprise, but is not not Capitalism has become) is bizarre in view of AIG, GM, Chrysler and the banks,

I am not the swiftest hen in the house, but I am no fool either. AIG, GM etc are not in a capitalist market… government companies getting deals out the gazoo… You are again playing the sophist trick of calling A, B. When you put the tag of free-market on these companies you error immensly or you are trying to trick us. I was calling on a CFO of a company some time ago. he had mentioned to me that he had had a number of VCs with enough capital to start a reasonalbe size car manufactoring company. However, the fact that the government was so involved in GM, Ford etc it was near impossible for entry. Here is an example where if the government was not involved in businesses there would had been another company with additional competition, more employees, lower prices . But the government involvment killed any thougt of going further.

Capitalism means those entitites FAILED. Your version of Capitalism means the taxpayer saved them.

There is only one version of capitalism: free market with no government interference. Others may take its name tag - what a shame.

I do not understand what you mean by "your version of Catitalism saved them? Who is them? The Auto industry, AIG… that is not capitalism… You put words in my mouth.


You think Capitalism means you can have your own business, in fact, that is Distributism.
]Capitalism says you MAY; it does not say you CAN. In order to have your own busines you need resources - no resources, no business. If Distributism says you can; then I ask you, if you have no resources how does one get those resources/COLOR]

What I mean is that you need to think a little deeper and READ. No offense. Just do a little research. And it wouldn’t hurt Cho either.
So would you please answer, yes or no, if a large company came to town (for example Wal Mart) and opened a large store. Would a Distributist close it? or would they ignore it or would they do nothing Please please Please answer
 
And here-in lies the fatal flaw of distributionism. As described here, it is nothing more than a form of primitivism.
I guess I was not entirely clear about the fact that those were my own ideas rather than those of distributism, I’m sorry about that.

But I want to make it really clear because I have no idea where distributists stand on this and do not want any criticism of my own personal ideas to fall on distributism because that would be really bad.

So, again, this is as far as I know not a fatal flaw of distributism, since those are my own personal ideas.
The result of doing this in 1900 would have been the destruction of most of the technological advances of the 20th century. Nearly every material thing you own and cherish is the result of large, publicly owned corporations.
Distributists, at least some of them, advocate worker-owned cooperatives for large-scale operations. Mondragon in Spain is an example of this.

Additionally, a cooperative of separately owned companies could provide the same benefits of a large corporation.
By the way, what would you reimburse the stock holders with, and what good would it do for a small company to own, say, four desks, six chairs, and two telephones?
Money?

The break-up of AT&T was accomplished by selling the many divisions of the company. It was not accomplished by selling the office equipment.
How, on the other hand, would you break up a chip manufacturing company or a medical device manufacturing company into small pieces? There is a minimum size a corporation can be and still produce things like MRI machines that are safe, effective and cheap enough for a large number of hospitals to purchase and use. As another example, the cost of producing a Xeon processor, or an entire boxed motherboard is not something that a small company can sustain.
Apparently, the parts of computers are not manufactured by the named manufacturers but by other companies. So it really wouldn’t be a problem, would it?
What made the Model T affordable was the creation of a LARGE corporation that used economies of scale to good effect.
And now Ford parts are manufactured by lots of different companies all over the world.
The new generation of large corporations are less ecologically damaging and more efficient than a large number of smaller companies trying to do the same thing (think Google and Amazon as examples).
I remember travelling through Elizabeth NJ in the 60s and 70s. There was a lot of pollution spewing from those big factories.
 
Can someone define Distributism? In five sentences or less, please:confused: And how does if differ from socialism?
Sorry, five sentences are too few! How about five short paragraphs? 🙂

As suggested in this discussion, and as alluded to by the Wikipedia page, Distributism is a form of feudalism.

In the 1600s, to enter into certain businesses or perform certain services, one begged a “license” from one’s liege lord or the crown (the government). So long as one had said license, and operated within the constraints imposed by that license, one could operate a business.

The assumption of total authority (of, if you will, dictatorial authority, or monarchical authority) underlies the concept of distributism. All suggested implementations of it require the usurpation by government of the rights of individuals in order to regulate the economy so as to produce a desired outcome, or state of being.

The obvious negative effects of granting such power to government, and the inevitable corruption that this entails (think: Exceptions to Obamacare as a form of modern day corruption) to either get preferential treatment in the granting of licenses, or in getting an exceptional license are rarely discussed, but are as inevitable as you might expect, given the fallen nature of man.
 
And here-in lies the injustice. Before discouraging a behavior, make sure said behavior is one you have the right to discourage. “Because I don’t like it” is not sufficient reason, nor does it bestow right.

I disagree. Distributism, depending on how defined, is either a form of socialism, or a form of feudalism. It is most certainly not capitalism.

I’ve read it, hence my assessment above. In the 1600s, distributism was by means of licenses granted by the crown, or by one’s Liege Lord.

Further more, the Wikipedia page references various encyclicals and “Church Social Teaching” as if they are authoritative, and/or granting of only a single interpretation and implemenation. While encyclicals are well worth the time to study, and in general they are very well thought out and very good scholarship, they are not authoritative. Nor is there such a thing as a single “Church Social Teaching” except in the abstract, and that teaching is more a description of the Church’s moral philosophy, than a set of policy or implementation decisions. Different Catholics will interpret and try to implement that teaching in radically different ways, of course, and therein lies the discussion.

I’m not quite sure what you are referring to here, but I would caution against taking an old thing, relabeling it, then calling it something new.

Straw man argument. I don’t know of any free market advocate who has EVER made such a claim. I would counter by saying that the Church is firmly opposed to arbitrarily targeting unpopular groups and then imposing punishments on them out of greed or lust especially when such greed and/or lust has been relabeled as “Social Justice”.

I would counter by saying that imposing additional taxes on specific individuals or groups within a society is indeed inherently wrong. Progressive taxation, or punitive tax burdens placed on those who are wildly successful is inherently evil, just as imposing special tax burdens on a person because they were black or female would be inherently wrong.

To avoid injustice, laws should be uniform, applied universally, and only be created when they can be applied universally. Special laws for special groups is just a form of state slavery lite.

A socially just tax is one that is a percentage of one’s income, applied the same to everyone, and is used solely to act to the immediate and direct benefit of everyone. Anything else is a form of creeping apartheid.

Which is how the Bible suggests tithing: 1 part in 10 for everyone, not 1 part in 10 for the middle class, but 9 parts in 10 for the rich.
I appreciate you excellent response. I wish I had half the skills at communicating as you do. It is great to have someone like you on the side of Justice.
 
Distributism is nothing like socialism, and has nothing to do with redistribution of wealth. And what do you think taking from our children and grandchildren and fiving it to Golsman Sachs, et al, is? That is the corporo-government form that “capitalism” has morphed into: corporate socialism.
What you have effectively proved is that the government has violated its agreement with the people, nothing more, nothing less. It was anti-capitalistic to use government power to bail out ANY corporation, and that includes Goldman-Sachs.
The thing about distributism is that businesses do not become too big to fail. The responsibility does not become so diffused that morality is eradicated by economic considerations. Power does not become so concentrated that the lists of government experts, lobbyists, and corporate board members and executives all look alike over time.
Your argument is falsified by reality. I can give you thousands of examples of small business engaging in corrupt and immoral practice. In fact, it is actually easier for a small company to be immoral.

Also, I categorically disagree with the classification of “too big to fail.” That was just an excuse for the government to usurp yet more of the people’s rights and powers, not a true and valid description.
What I see going on now is no advertisement for capitalism on a large scale. Distributism is capitalism on a human scale.
No, Distributism is simply Feudalism under a new name. Whether it be an aristocrat who grants you “license”, or a bureaucrat is irrelevant. You still must give up your rights and freedoms to the government, then beg them back under the auspices of a government granted “license”.
 
No, Distributism is simply Feudalism under a new name. Whether it be an aristocrat who grants you “license”, or a bureaucrat is irrelevant. You still must give up your rights and freedoms to the government, then beg them back under the auspices of a government granted “license”.
I have a question for you. Does having regulation on the market require a bureaucracy? It seems to me we could have a nearly non-existent state under distributism, probably much closer than the libertarians will ever get without it. Laws don’t require a whole government apparatus to manage. Let the market handle it. The party that is wronged can pursue any violation in the courts.

I am going to vote for Ron Paul because I think we are at the point where groups of capitalists are seeking more protection from the government and we need to roll back some of that corporate welfare. Anyway, he makes this argument regarding child protection laws, letting the market handle it. I just have to ask where one draws the line? Why is it alright to enforce child protection laws in the market, but not to ensure cartels and monopolies don’t have a chance to form?
 
While I’m not certain what right anybody else has to define “abuse” of property,
The state has the right through laws. If someone runs someone else deliberately over with his car, it is an abuse of property.
If some chem factory runs on lousy sadeft standards and explodes killing thousands of people, it is abuse of property.
and stick their nose into anybody else business, I would point out that in point of fact, corporate personhood IS how you determine responsibility.

That is why removing corporate personhood might be a very, very bad idea. It eliminates corporate responsibility, and thus eliminates the right of one “person”, to sue another person (be they individual human, or corporate persons)
Obviously removing corporate personhood and leaving nothing to sue against, is a bad idea. But corporate personhood is an artificial construct, as only humans have rights and the corporate personhood is an attempt to “combine” the actual rights of the owners so that they can be used into relation of their property. As it is artificial one could change it without unavoidable harm to the property rights of its owners. And the lack of clear ownership could provide sufficient reason to change something.
 
So would you please answer, yes or no, if a large company came to town (for example Wal Mart) and opened a large store. Would a Distributist close it? or would they ignore it or would they do nothing Please please Please answer
The answer is simply, NO a distibutist would not close it. A Distributist would not call on the government to improve the competetive situation of the Distributist. The Distributist would, however, oppose the WalMart in its efforts to get tax benefits to entice it to come to town. Are you aware of the concept of tax benefits to entice business stimulation? Did you know WalMart makes use of those benefits? Why do you think WalMart or Olive Garden or McDonalds should get tax benefits that a local store does not get? Do you feel that WalMart needs the competetive edge?

I’ll say it again, you guys are arguing against a straw man. There is a good article in Wikipedia, take a bit to reads it.
 
Sorry, five sentences are too few! How about five short paragraphs? 🙂

As suggested in this discussion, and as alluded to by the Wikipedia page, Distributism is a form of feudalism.

In the 1600s, to enter into certain businesses or perform certain services, one begged a “license” from one’s liege lord or the crown (the government). So long as one had said license, and operated within the constraints imposed by that license, one could operate a business.

The assumption of total authority (of, if you will, dictatorial authority, or monarchical authority) underlies the concept of distributism. All suggested implementations of it require the usurpation by government of the rights of individuals in order to regulate the economy so as to produce a desired outcome, or state of being.

The obvious negative effects of granting such power to government, and the inevitable corruption that this entails (think: Exceptions to Obamacare as a form of modern day corruption) to either get preferential treatment in the granting of licenses, or in getting an exceptional license are rarely discussed, but are as inevitable as you might expect, given the fallen nature of man.
This is about as bad as elucidations of Catholic teachings written by anti-Catholic former Catholics.

You do realize that the strawman argument is a fallacy?
 
Obviously removing corporate personhood and leaving nothing to sue against, is a bad idea. But corporate personhood is an artificial construct, as only humans have rights and the corporate personhood is an attempt to “combine” the actual rights of the owners so that they can be used into relation of their property. As it is artificial one could change it without unavoidable harm to the property rights of its owners. And the lack of clear ownership could provide sufficient reason to change something.
ETA: This is a reminder that the following are my own personal ideas which as far as I know have absolutely no relation to distributism. Please do not in any way use these ideas of mine to bash distributism.

I am not against the use of the corporate form to protect the owner. I am against the ownership by stockholders, who rarely have day-to-day involvement. I have a lot of trouble with that because that causes a diffusion of moral responsibility coupled with the protection of corporate personhood which allows them to benefit when the managers make good decisions and not suffer when the management makes bad decisions.

Moreover, the separation of ownership and decision-making renders the focus of the entire enterprise to be in short-term profits, further withering what morality there may have been along with rendering longterm planning less important than it should be.
 
Your argument is falsified by reality. I can give you thousands of examples of small business engaging in corrupt and immoral practice. In fact, it is actually easier for a small company to be immoral.
Thank you very much for explaining why one should be against a free market system unbounded by any interference whatsoever.
 
So would you please answer, yes or no, if a large company came to town (for example Wal Mart) and opened a large store. Would a Distributist close it? or would they ignore it or would they do nothing Please please Please answer
I know this isn’t the answer you want, but you have to believe it is the correct one, whether or not a store is closed is not a question for distributism. The work toward a widely distributed base of property is.

It depends on how distributism is implemented whether or not there will or will not be hard laws. Your question is really a philosophical one whether or not property rights as they stand now should ever be violated.

I understand the injustice you are concerned about. I know of no distributist that advocates force. The most likely scenario is that the market would be changed through laws that encourage desired activity through things like taxation and eligibility for grants, etc., but you are right that there is no getting around the idea that a desire for a regulated market is likely to regulate individuals in the market.

So to want a yes/no answer is unanswerable. It is like asking the man whether he used a belt or his hand the last time he beat his children. If he hasn’t beaten his children then there is no answer. Distributism is simply the will for more wide distribution in property. How it will come about is not inherent in the idea.
 
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