Is dying for your belief a noble?

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Not necessarily. It depends. According to a story I read in the LIves of the Saints, there was some one who stepped out of the crowd and volunteered and enticed/challenged to be killed for his beliefs when many christians were being killed. The man or monk was killed but it was considered a wrong thing for the person to do by a saint. I agree.

On another occassion, I read in the same book, that nuns from a convent were raped and one of them killed herself afterwards. That too was considered wrong by a saint. So, it depends.
 
It depends on whether your death advances your cause. Assuming, as Marty1818 has said, that your cause is noble (or at least justified).

For this reason, I would regard the death of Rachael Corrie as noble, whilst describing the death of a suicide bomber as a futile, pointless and counterproductive atrocity.
 
Philip Schaff in Vol. 2 (I think) of his History of the Christian Church notes that one point so many “Christians” were volunteering for martyrdom that the local Roman officials told them, “If you really want to die so badly, there’s a cliff, go ahead and jump!” Belief at the time was that martyrdom was an automatic, instant ticket to heaven.

My take on the subject is that being taken prisoner and hanged because you are a Christian is a noble thing, as is dying for someone else, as did St. Maximilian Kolbe at Auschwitz. However, putting the rope around your own neck and jumping off the scaffold on your own is not; it is simple suicide.
 
Nicko said:
It depends on whether your death advances your cause. Assuming, as Marty1818 has said, that your cause is noble (or at least justified).

For this reason, I would regard the death of Rachael Corrie as noble, whilst describing the death of a suicide bomber as a futile, pointless and counterproductive atrocity.
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Suicide bombers are aiming to kill others, that is immoral. Rachel Corrie was fearlessly defending someones house. She was a hero. God have mercy.
 
I started a thread on a Jewish website to discuss a situation in a story I wrote.

Israel faced a situation in which they would be attacked and exterminated. “Empress Theresa” helped them evacuate to a new homeland.

A few members of that thread protested that the Israelis would never leave their homeland. Jerusalem and the surroundings would always be their homeland and there was no substitute.

I asked them if they would stay and fight even if it meant certain death to the last man, woman, and child. The claimed they would. ( these dozen or so members actually lived in the United States ! :eek: )

This was an emotional issue with them. I couldn’t see how staying in a certain place was worth dying for, especially as Theresa gave them a new land infinitely better than that Middle East desert country. But no matter. They called me “Nazi” and other names.

What do you think?
I know there are Jewish members on this board.
 
What is “a nobel”! 😉 It can be regarded as being an accomplice to murder…
 
DaveBj said:
OP said “a noble,” not “a nobel.” I think he accidentally left off the word “act” or “deed.”
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And I accidentally inverted two letters! I may have been thinking of a Nobel prize for heroism… 😉
 
cho_pilo said:
Actually, probably the opposite is true, your life is great if you have no reason to die for…
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There’s a difference between having no reason to die for freedom and having no reason to die for freedom** in any circumstances**…
 
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