Is Eastern Catholicism the same Eastern Orthodoxy?

[Madaglan]

When I started serving, I was terrified of catching those huge sleeves in the stands of many candles inches away during the entrances . . .

Four years now, and no fires . . . Buti did catch an icon with one sleeves. As I kept it pinned to the wall with my shoulder while waiting for help,the icon in my other hand, Father murmured, “nice catch” . . .

and one ripped sticharion from the latch On the iconostasis door.

To offset this, I’ve recovered two thrown coals in the same time

A few months ago, my sticharion sleeve caught on the knob to the deacon’s door, and the full pitcher of post-communion wine I was carrying back on a tray crashed on the altar floor. Still trying to make up for it.

 

[Sarahforgiven]

The map was very helpful

 

[dochawk]

A few months ago, my sticharion sleeve caught on the knob to the deacon’s door, and the full pitcher of post-communion wine I was carrying back on a tray crashed on the altar floor. Still trying to make up for it.

My sticharion kindly gave up its seam for the greater good.

On top of that, we got a new volunteer to mend them!

 

[Geaux_LSU]

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I fell on the floor laughing when I saw this. It was just so to the point and soooo true.

 

[couponfit]

Is Eastern Catholicism the same Eastern Orthodoxy? Just curious; my grandfather was Eastern Orthodox.

Same theology, tradition and liturgy. But eo’s were not Latinized as ec’s. In an eo church you probably won’t see pews but you will in an ec counterpart sometimes. Furthermore ec’s are in communion with rome.

 

[THE_ENCORE]

It depends on what you mean by “the same as”. The theological beliefs are likely very similar, and it might be hard for the average person to notice a difference in a normal Eastern Rite service as compared to Eastern Orthodoxy. However, Eastern Rite Catholics accept some beliefs that Eastern Orthodox do not always accept (including purgatory and some of the Marian dogmas), and obviously Eastern Rite Catholics are in full communion with the See of Rome whereas Eastern Orthodox are not.

Eastern Catholics don`t accept purgatory or deny it, they say its possible(the same view as orthodox). The teachings for eastern Catholic on purgatory is if it is a a real place its more just a space of emptiness not a place of torture.

 

[John_of_Patmos]

Eastern Catholics don`t accept purgatory or deny it, they say its possible(the same view as orthodox). The teachings for eastern Catholic on purgatory is if it is a a real place its more just a space of emptiness not a place of torture.

ECs accept purgatory, ONLY described as a place of, well, purgation! They don’t accept Latin notions of fire there.

 

[Vico]

ECs accept purgatory, ONLY described as a place of, well, purgation! They don’t accept Latin notions of fire there.

Apparently the Latins don’t believe in literal fire, rather an allegory of fire:

1 Cor. 3:15 If any man’s work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith (much more precious than gold which is tried by the fire) may be found unto praise and glory and honour at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

St. Gregory The Great (elected Pope 590 A.D.) **Dialogues (1911) Book 4. pp. 177-258. **Chapter Thirty-Nine: whether there be any fire of purgatory in the next world.

GREGORY. Our Lord saith in the Gospel: Walk whiles you have the light:61 and by his Prophet he saith: In time accepted have I heard thee, and in the day of salvation have I holpen thee:62 which the Apostle St. Paul expounding, saith: Behold, |233 now is the time acceptable; behold, now the day of salvation.63 Solomon, likewise, saith: Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, work it instantly: for neither work, nor reason, nor knowledge, nor wisdom shall be in hell, whither thou dost hasten.64 David also saith: Because his mercy is for ever.65 By which sayings it is plain, that in such state as a man departeth out of this life, in the same he is presented in judgment before God. But yet we must believe that before the day of judgment there is a Purgatory fire for certain small sins: because our Saviour saith, that he which speaketh blasphemy against the holy Ghost, that it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.66 Out of which sentence we learn, that some sins are forgiven in this world, and some other may be pardoned in the next: for that which is denied concerning one sin, is consequently understood to be granted touching some other. But yet this, as I said, we have not to believe but only concerning little and very small sins, as, for example, daily idle talk, immoderate laughter, negligence in the care of our family (which kind of offences scarce can they avoid, that know in what sort sin is to be shunned), ignorant errors in matters of no great weight: all which sins be punished after death, if men procured not pardon and remission for them in their lifetime: for when St. Paul saith, that Christ is the foundation: and by and by addeth: And if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: the work of every one, of what kind it is, the fire shall try. If any man’s work abide which he built thereupon, he shall receive reward; if any mans work burn, he shall suffer detriment, but himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.67 For although these words may be understood of the fire of tribulation, which men suffer in this world: yet if any will interpret them of the fire of Purgatory, which |234 shall be in the next life: then must he carefully consider, that the Apostle said not that he may be saved by fire, that buildeth upon this foundation iron, brass, or lead, that is, the greater sort of sins, and therefore more hard, and consequently not remissible in that place: but wood, hay, stubble, that is, little and very light sins, which the fire doth easily consume. Yet we have here further to consider, that none can be there purged, no, not for the least sins that be, unless in his lifetime he deserved by virtuous works to find such favour in that place.

tertullian.org/fathers/gregory_04_dialogues_book4.htm#C4

 

[Hesychios]

Apparently the Latins don’t believe in literal fire, rather an allegory of fire:

I have been reading an interesting book about the origins of the dogma of Purgatory by a Frenchman named Jacques LeGoff. He discusses most of the early sources for the idea. Pretty fascinating.