Is Ecclesiastical Latin Gods language?

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It better not be, or the Eastern Catholics, Orthodox, Jews, Muslims and Protestants are going to be slightly upset, since it’s not their language.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
It better not be, or the Eastern Catholics, Orthodox, Jews, Muslims and Protestants are going to be slightly upset, since it’s not their language.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
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In the case of Americans and the Brits, English would be God’s language, at the exclusion of others, whether they believe in God or not. 🙂
 
ProVobis said:
In the case of Americans and the Brits, English would be God’s language, at the exclusion of others, whether they believe in God or not. 🙂
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Of course Americans and Brits believe in god. The US Govt is god, the Constitution is the bible, and the Brits are the gentiles whom we’ve converted. It’s all right there, in plain English.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
God’s language?

I’m pretty sure it’s Heartish, crying, laughter, and whatever else one speaks in their direction of the unwordable( see, just made something up, and it works!) to the Word.

Pentecost… Babel reversed.

I often wonder if people weren’t speaking Hebrew, Arabic, etc. before Babel and just heard Hebrew as Arabic, Arabic as Hebrew, Hebrew as Spanish, etc.

All proto-X of course, since the tree grows from the seed and we plainly have its branches detailed via linguists and their dang historical mapping.

Either way, I love praying in Latin. Sometimes I revert to my native tongue to remember what I’m praying. Mostly though, I pray in Latin.

I can’t remember who now, but there was a female saint who wanted to understand Latin since she prayed in it. So Jesus granted this. And then, understanding, begged to go back to being ignorant of the Latin since understanding the language ruined the true pleading and language of prayer.

God wants to be in us, and us in Him. Two become one, and all that.Sometimes words get in the way when we can ID them. Recall Whitman and the poet vs the astronomer. The poet saw the beauty of the science by not understanding it, and the astronomer saw the poetry in understanding the science, but was himself not a poet and could never write a poem on what he scientifically knew.

I know what “Domine non sum dignus…” means, but when I pray it in the Latin, it holds more weight since I didn’t grow up speaking it. Sometimes I say them both (English and Latin). Maybe I’ll learn the Hebrew or Arabic versions of the most necessary prayers. Maybe I’ll not. Whatever draws me closest to God, I trust Him to lead me. My tongue is loose, and wraps itself around the heart. A snare… and a murderer of poetry with equations and such. And my poetic heart sometimes needs an equation to make sense of it all.
 
MarMax said:
I often wonder if people weren’t speaking Hebrew, Arabic, etc. before Babel and just heard Hebrew as Arabic, Arabic as Hebrew, Hebrew as Spanish, etc.
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Interesting. I’m sure people just spoke in whatever they were most comfortable with. They may not have been that aware they were speaking in different languages in commerce, in conversation, in babbling, etc. But it seems there was always a language which solely focused on their religious beliefs, be it Hebrew, Sanskrit, Arabic, etc. So it may very well have been Babel which blended Hebrew and Arabic and all the other languages together and left everyone confused.

My one cent worth.
 
Just giving a simple answer to the O.P.'s original question:
1 Corinthians 15:11-19:
If I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be, unto him that speaketh, a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that you may excel to the edifying of the Church. Wherefore let him that spekeath in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at they giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. I thank my God I speak with tongues more than ye all; yet in the Church I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voice I might teach others also, than then thousand words in an unknown tongue.
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Though this is about the gift of tongues, it can clearly be applied to language used in the holy liturgy. God not only wants us to worship Him, but He wants us to bear good fruit & to edify our brethren. He has spoken it by the Holy Ghost in His divine Scriptures.

If God truly hath no respect of persons (Acts 10:34 & elsewhere), He surely has no higher regard or respect for this language or that language. He demands a contrite heart, whether expressed in Swahili, English, Latin, or Japanese.

The only godly language is the one you’re speaking in prayer with understanding. 👍 I thank God for the Protestant Reformation & the Orthodox Church in this matter.
 
TEPO said:
My questions are honest by the way. I take pride in keeping things as simple as I can in order to help myself decide on what is or isn’t the honest truth.
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Well, if you really want to follow the Lord Jesus, you will recognize His Church. And you will take as Truth what Scripture, Tradition and the Magesterium say, not your own opinion. [Because that’s how Jesus set up the Church]. 👍 There are a lot of interesting questions that the Church doesn’t address. I think it is because Jesus never addressed them. Why? Their being answered isn’t necessary for us to follow Jesus by living the life of Christ and becoming a little more like Him each day.:amen:
 
TEPO said:
My questions are honest by the way. I take pride in keeping things as simple as I can in order to help myself decide on what is or isn’t the honest truth.
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Keep in mind what St. Bonaventure said. The only way to eternal salvation is to enter into the mind of God.

Therefore, language has nothing to do with it, since God is non-verbal.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Since God is Pure Spirit and since the universe exists in His Mind, it seems a little short-sighted to confine Him to a particular language. Ecclesiastic Latin is the language of the Roman Catholic Church. I do like Cat’s response in that God’s own language must be mathematical, I would add to that musical, because of both expressive forms’ immutability and precision. Additionally, I believe that Jesus, when He walked this earth, had at least some facility in Latin, as He resided in a country that was occupied by Romans. Even though scholars identify His native language as Aramaic, He was at least comfortable with Hebrew, possibly some Arabic, the aforementioned Latin, and perhaps a smattering of Greek as well. Before His public ministry, He was a tradesman, and would have interacted with all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds, even in a small village.
 
odile53 said:
Since God is Pure Spirit and since the universe exists in His Mind, it seems a little short-sighted to confine Him to a particular language. Ecclesiastic Latin is the language of the Roman Catholic Church. I do like Cat’s response in that God’s own language must be mathematical, I would add to that musical, because of both expressive forms’ immutability and precision. Additionally, I believe that Jesus, when He walked this earth, had at least some facility in Latin, as He resided in a country that was occupied by Romans. Even though scholars identify His native language as Aramaic, He was at least comfortable with Hebrew, possibly some Arabic, the aforementioned Latin, and perhaps a smattering of Greek as well. Before His public ministry, He was a tradesman, and would have interacted with all sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds, even in a small village.
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God does not need language, except to communicate with us on earth. Therefore, the very idea that God uses language is unreasonable. Language is a tool of the animal kingdom. God is not part of the animal kingdom.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
JReducation said:
Therefore, language has nothing to do with it, since God is non-verbal.
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Br JR, then why the need to change it? Or desire to have it in your dialect? Or even need to hear it? It seems for centuries people were okay just watching the priest pray. Or even standing outside the Holy of Holies, for that matter, while the high priest offered the sacrifice to God.

Happy Birthday, by the way. 👍
 
ProVobis said:
Br JR, then why the need to change it? Or desire to have it in your dialect? Or even need to hear it? It seems for centuries people were okay just watching the priest pray. Or even standing outside the Holy of Holies, for that matter, while the high priest offered the sacrifice to God.
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God is non-verbal; we, on the other hand, are verbal.
 
Baelor said:
God is non-verbal; we, on the other hand, are verbal.
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Hmmm. Why the big deal about “I am Who/That I am” (English translation) in the OT then? Were there no actual sound waves (or mental waves) produced to communicate this? :confused::confused:
 
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