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Retro_Ace
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I have been hearing things about how people like characters getting tragic endings in escapist epics, to the point where they’re glad that their dead because of a ‘genuine threat’ or ‘breaks the norm’ or we need to ‘break away from tradition’ which has also become an excuse for immoral behavior
And as I said, if any romantic couples make it or it ends like the way the Harry Potter saga did or Lord of The Rings did they think its ‘uninteresting’ or pull the ‘sunshine and rainbows’ guilt trip or had it easy, not even resurrection themes like LOTR or Chronicles of Narnia, and as I understood even Game of Thrones out of all things has it (yet nobody brings it up as much as they praise the franchise, book or show for being ‘realistic’)
because ‘people do not find it interesting’
if that is the case
Then I think something is wrong with us
I mean, something is popular does not make it always right (unless it is supported by good reasons)
And how low can you make your expectations until you just don’t want good things to happen?
I mean with ISIS, sappy economy, riots over Politically Correct nonsense
Isn’t the respond to make kind of stories like oh say Full Metal Alchemist, D.Gray Man, One Piece in order to counter that, In the writers sense I mean?
Like, How do we know there are people who DO find it interesting and are just feeling guilty for doing so because we are making that audience feel inferior to the point the just assimilate just to ‘have b-words’
I mean, it seems only My Hero Academica and Once Upon a Time seems to be the few bits of entertainment besides Video Games that are only showing otherwise right now
And they’re fighting this negativity alone
Seriously, we find burning a child alive, more interesting than the final battle at Hogwarts, we think stories of greater good sacrifice fodder are more meaningful than two brothers like Edward and Alphonse Elric fight and witness some serious twisted things and live to come home to Winry and she and Ed become a thing.
I just think this is a problem and we think its ‘saving’ people, when-and this is the ironic part-in reality, we are just making compromises with tragedy and even making friends with it, that we are being told not to ask or want anything and just accept things no matter what they are, and just let heroes die at the end
Maybe not literally, maybe not entirely, but our attitude is descending to that level, and I don’t think its healthy
I mean I get it
Sacrifices must be made, tragedy happens, I mean I wouldn’t enjoyed Harry Potter, Lord of The Rings, or Star Wars if that was the case
And I do like gritty dark shows, I mean if I didn’t I wouldn’t have enjoyed Hellsing Ultimate, Claymore, or Vampire Hunter D.
But even if this problem is not in RWBY, I still think there is a problem in most entertainment as well as the attitude of the modern audience
Its the whole “Risk” thing…I don’t mean risk in general but more like how “Risk” in fiction is taken now-a-days
Like, couples that risk their lives for each other today now MUST have a tragic end
Like “Risk” automatically must end in tragedy
“I would die for you” means “Oh he said he would die for her, better kill him off in the end”
I mean, really?
Can it be possible for them to say that and NOT end up dying in the end?
I mean when does this go too far? Where do we draw the line? When do we stop?
Like now not one, single, couple can make it in the end in shows like RWBY, Akame Ga Kill, or what have you anymore because they “would die” for others which automatically means they MUST die in the end or else their victory is ‘cheap’
it seems like we are at the point where despite all the hell these characters go through, we are like
“Eh, Hermione and Ron never knew true risk because they made it in the end” even though Ron lost a brother and even friends and teachers
“Bah, Ed and Winry never knew true risk because they made it in the end” regardless of the twisted and unholy things Ed and Al had witnessed that challenged their faith in humanity
“Pfft, Nice Holystone and Jacuzzi Splot had it easy, they made it in the end” even though they weren’t immortals and how much they’ve stuck their necks out for each other and risked their lives for each other because they couldn’t bare to see each other suffer, or anyone else suffer. I mean, they and their gang are actually good people, Jacuzzi even went out of his way to try and save everyone on the train.
“Wait, Aragorn and Arwen are safe together now? No red wedding at the end? What a cop out” regardless how Sauron wanted their heads and hounded Aragorn’s royal hide to even the land of the dead while hounding poor Frodo and Sam who were nearly driven mad by the Ring and seen the horrors of war and Orc brutality
Not literally in words but that seems to be the attitude, this callous, insensitive, attitude. All because they weren’t a ‘they almost made it’ trope. It seems almost inhuman.
That because they had each other through and through their hardships can be easily waved away
which anyone who can see what they suffered through can easily point that out to be completely untrue
Im not saying everything is sunshine and rainbows
But having a romantic couple making it to the end of the series does not make their suffering less awful
Am I reading too deep into this?
And as I said, if any romantic couples make it or it ends like the way the Harry Potter saga did or Lord of The Rings did they think its ‘uninteresting’ or pull the ‘sunshine and rainbows’ guilt trip or had it easy, not even resurrection themes like LOTR or Chronicles of Narnia, and as I understood even Game of Thrones out of all things has it (yet nobody brings it up as much as they praise the franchise, book or show for being ‘realistic’)
because ‘people do not find it interesting’
if that is the case
Then I think something is wrong with us
I mean, something is popular does not make it always right (unless it is supported by good reasons)
And how low can you make your expectations until you just don’t want good things to happen?
I mean with ISIS, sappy economy, riots over Politically Correct nonsense
Isn’t the respond to make kind of stories like oh say Full Metal Alchemist, D.Gray Man, One Piece in order to counter that, In the writers sense I mean?
Like, How do we know there are people who DO find it interesting and are just feeling guilty for doing so because we are making that audience feel inferior to the point the just assimilate just to ‘have b-words’
I mean, it seems only My Hero Academica and Once Upon a Time seems to be the few bits of entertainment besides Video Games that are only showing otherwise right now
And they’re fighting this negativity alone
Seriously, we find burning a child alive, more interesting than the final battle at Hogwarts, we think stories of greater good sacrifice fodder are more meaningful than two brothers like Edward and Alphonse Elric fight and witness some serious twisted things and live to come home to Winry and she and Ed become a thing.
I just think this is a problem and we think its ‘saving’ people, when-and this is the ironic part-in reality, we are just making compromises with tragedy and even making friends with it, that we are being told not to ask or want anything and just accept things no matter what they are, and just let heroes die at the end
Maybe not literally, maybe not entirely, but our attitude is descending to that level, and I don’t think its healthy
I mean I get it
Sacrifices must be made, tragedy happens, I mean I wouldn’t enjoyed Harry Potter, Lord of The Rings, or Star Wars if that was the case
And I do like gritty dark shows, I mean if I didn’t I wouldn’t have enjoyed Hellsing Ultimate, Claymore, or Vampire Hunter D.
But even if this problem is not in RWBY, I still think there is a problem in most entertainment as well as the attitude of the modern audience
Its the whole “Risk” thing…I don’t mean risk in general but more like how “Risk” in fiction is taken now-a-days
Like, couples that risk their lives for each other today now MUST have a tragic end
Like “Risk” automatically must end in tragedy
“I would die for you” means “Oh he said he would die for her, better kill him off in the end”
I mean, really?
Can it be possible for them to say that and NOT end up dying in the end?
I mean when does this go too far? Where do we draw the line? When do we stop?
Like now not one, single, couple can make it in the end in shows like RWBY, Akame Ga Kill, or what have you anymore because they “would die” for others which automatically means they MUST die in the end or else their victory is ‘cheap’
it seems like we are at the point where despite all the hell these characters go through, we are like
“Eh, Hermione and Ron never knew true risk because they made it in the end” even though Ron lost a brother and even friends and teachers
“Bah, Ed and Winry never knew true risk because they made it in the end” regardless of the twisted and unholy things Ed and Al had witnessed that challenged their faith in humanity
“Pfft, Nice Holystone and Jacuzzi Splot had it easy, they made it in the end” even though they weren’t immortals and how much they’ve stuck their necks out for each other and risked their lives for each other because they couldn’t bare to see each other suffer, or anyone else suffer. I mean, they and their gang are actually good people, Jacuzzi even went out of his way to try and save everyone on the train.
“Wait, Aragorn and Arwen are safe together now? No red wedding at the end? What a cop out” regardless how Sauron wanted their heads and hounded Aragorn’s royal hide to even the land of the dead while hounding poor Frodo and Sam who were nearly driven mad by the Ring and seen the horrors of war and Orc brutality
Not literally in words but that seems to be the attitude, this callous, insensitive, attitude. All because they weren’t a ‘they almost made it’ trope. It seems almost inhuman.
That because they had each other through and through their hardships can be easily waved away
which anyone who can see what they suffered through can easily point that out to be completely untrue
Im not saying everything is sunshine and rainbows
But having a romantic couple making it to the end of the series does not make their suffering less awful
Am I reading too deep into this?
I think it’s what you pick to watch/read/listen to. I would agree that there’s a lot more torture, blood, gore, and gratuitous everything these days, but if you’re picky about what you watch, there’s a good amount of cheery stuff still existing. 