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TPJCatholic
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angainor,
The Eucharist is Jesus’ Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity…it gets no more real then that.
The Eucharist is Jesus’ Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity…it gets no more real then that.
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mrS4ntA
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angainor,
bottom line is, you do NOT believe in Christ’s REAL presence in the Eucharist; and Catholics do, as you pointed out earlier.
We understand that from your perspective, who see the Eucharist as a piece of bread, we’re not worshipping Christ. But understand that from our perspective, who DO believe “this IS My Body, this IS My Blood” and see the Eucharist as Christ’s REAL presence: body, blood, soul and divinity – and it is, you can’t really say we are worshipping in a manner that deflect from Christ, see?
bottom line is, you do NOT believe in Christ’s REAL presence in the Eucharist; and Catholics do, as you pointed out earlier.
We understand that from your perspective, who see the Eucharist as a piece of bread, we’re not worshipping Christ. But understand that from our perspective, who DO believe “this IS My Body, this IS My Blood” and see the Eucharist as Christ’s REAL presence: body, blood, soul and divinity – and it is, you can’t really say we are worshipping in a manner that deflect from Christ, see?
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buffalo
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One important point to remember. Your ancestors used to believe in the Body and Blood being Jesus. You actually have many more years of this Tradition in your history than not.
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Malachi4U
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If the Eucharist is Jesus then we should bow down and adore it. If the Eucharist is not Jesus but we adore it as if it were Jesus then we are still giving the adoration to Jesus where it is due.
So logically a Catholic is adoring Jesus no matter what. Now the problem comes in with protestant opinions (just pick one). If the Eucharist is Jesus and they spurn it and insult it then they insult Jesus directly, an unforgivable sin. If it is just bread then they insult Catholics. Either way the protestants have the delima not the Catholics here. Catholic practice can only give glory and honor to God. Protestant practice though can lead to serious sin. Protestants would be insulting God by not adoring the Eucharist or being unChristian by insulting others instead of showing forgiveness as Christ taught us.
For Catholics its win win.
For protestants it’s lose lose.
Read John 6 and study the writtings of the Church BEFORE we even had a bible. The Eucharist IS Jesus, there can be no doubt.
Praise God!
So logically a Catholic is adoring Jesus no matter what. Now the problem comes in with protestant opinions (just pick one). If the Eucharist is Jesus and they spurn it and insult it then they insult Jesus directly, an unforgivable sin. If it is just bread then they insult Catholics. Either way the protestants have the delima not the Catholics here. Catholic practice can only give glory and honor to God. Protestant practice though can lead to serious sin. Protestants would be insulting God by not adoring the Eucharist or being unChristian by insulting others instead of showing forgiveness as Christ taught us.
For Catholics its win win.
For protestants it’s lose lose.
Read John 6 and study the writtings of the Church BEFORE we even had a bible. The Eucharist IS Jesus, there can be no doubt.
Praise God!
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SPOKENWORD
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Hi Malachi,Is Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father or not? Does He constantanly leave His seat and is back and forth.He said He would leave us the Holy spirit. Ive heard Jesus does stand up once in a while.
God Bless
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Contarini
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Angainor,
I think there’s a fairly simple answer to your question. Jesus said “This is my Body, this is my Blood.” Now whatever we think that means, it cannot possibly be idolatry to treat the Eucharist as being what Jesus said it is. However we explain it, clearly Jesus was saying that we should treat the Eucharist as His Body and Blood. And the only proper response to that is worship.
In Christ,
Edwin
P.S. I’m not Catholic–I’m an Episcopalian married to a Methodist, and these days consider myself a sort of Episcomethodist!
I think there’s a fairly simple answer to your question. Jesus said “This is my Body, this is my Blood.” Now whatever we think that means, it cannot possibly be idolatry to treat the Eucharist as being what Jesus said it is. However we explain it, clearly Jesus was saying that we should treat the Eucharist as His Body and Blood. And the only proper response to that is worship.
In Christ,
Edwin
P.S. I’m not Catholic–I’m an Episcopalian married to a Methodist, and these days consider myself a sort of Episcomethodist!
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Stephen_T
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Some of you have posted doubts about the Eucharist. Here is a link to just some of the Eucharistic miracles that have been documented. Hope it helps to strengthen your faith! Peace be with you all!
acfp2000.com/Miracles/eucharistic.html
acfp2000.com/Miracles/eucharistic.html
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jimmy
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Jesus is God, so can’t he be in two places at once?Hi Malachi,Is Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father or not? Does He constantanly leave His seat and is back and forth.He said He would leave us the Holy spirit. Ive heard Jesus does stand up once in a while.
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Angainor
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What do my ancestors have to do with it? Some of my ancestors were Americian Indians.
I don’t know, It’s hard to imagine my ancestors believing that anyway.
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Angainor
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I don’t know if that it true. Would you’re opinion change if instead of talking about bread and wine we were talking about a golden statue? What if someone seriously believed the golden statue was Jesus, and worshiped that statue? They might be excused to some extent because they sincerely intended to worship Jesus, but this would clearly not be the ideal situation.
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otm
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Oh. I thought you were a Methodical (sorry, couldn’t pass that up!)
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otm
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Ah, but we are not talking about a golden statute. We are talking about what Christ gave us, and what He said.
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otm
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It is not the flesh and blood of some guy who ran around Isreal 200 years ago. It is the flesh and blood of our Risen Savior. And if you have read Acts and the Gospels, you will note that the body of the Risen Savior was both the same and not the same, at the same time. It was the same, in that they recognized Him; and it was not the same, as it was not bound to earthly laws - e.g. it could pass into a locked room, appear and disappear, etc. The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Risen Lord.
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otm
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It is not the flesh and blood of some guy who ran around Isreal 200 years ago. It is the flesh and blood of our Risen Savior. And if you have read Acts and the Gospels, you will note that the body of the Risen Savior was both the same and not the same, at the same time. It was the same, in that they recognized Him; and it was not the same, as it was not bound to earthly laws - e.g. it could pass into a locked room, appear and disappear, etc. The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Risen Lord.
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Angainor
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You are right. Jesus ran around Isreal 2000 years ago.
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jimmy
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Hes just speaking of the fact that for 1500 years they believed in the true presence.
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adnauseum
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If the Eucharist were “just a sign pointing to Jesus,” then it seems quite strange indeed that the Apostles would prohibit anyone from partaking of it unless they were baptized.
The Didache [written around 50 A.D. by the apostles themselves, the ones who attended the Last Supper] instructed the bishops:
“let no one eat or drink of this Eucharist unless he has been baptized in the name of the Lord; for concerning this the Lord also said: Do not give to dogs what is holy.”
Why would what is in the protestant interpretation a “mere idol” be called holy by the apostles themselves? And if it were but a mere sign pointing to Jesus, then it should have been given often to the pagans to lead them to Christ. Yet the privelege of the Eucharist was strictly protected as befitting a treasure.
This simply flies in the face of the protestant view which degrades and mocks the Eucharist as a mere idol.
As John Henry Newman said, to study the history of the Church is to cease to be protestant. I can easily imagine a protestant being truly haunted by these accounts.
The Didache [written around 50 A.D. by the apostles themselves, the ones who attended the Last Supper] instructed the bishops:
“let no one eat or drink of this Eucharist unless he has been baptized in the name of the Lord; for concerning this the Lord also said: Do not give to dogs what is holy.”
Why would what is in the protestant interpretation a “mere idol” be called holy by the apostles themselves? And if it were but a mere sign pointing to Jesus, then it should have been given often to the pagans to lead them to Christ. Yet the privelege of the Eucharist was strictly protected as befitting a treasure.
This simply flies in the face of the protestant view which degrades and mocks the Eucharist as a mere idol.
As John Henry Newman said, to study the history of the Church is to cease to be protestant. I can easily imagine a protestant being truly haunted by these accounts.
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SPOKENWORD
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Hi Jimmy ,Sure He can ,thats why He sent the Holy Spirit so He could take His seat.
God Bless
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mrS4ntA
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Doesn’t make sense… the Holy Ghost is a separate entity altogether than the Son (although one in One GodHead)Hi Jimmy ,Sure He can ,thats why He sent the Holy Spirit so He could take His seat.
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michaelp
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Interesting thread. Just a quick question that really disturbs me. If you could point me in the right direction to have this question answered.
If the eucharist actually turns into the body, blood, and soul of Christ, when does it turn back to bread and wine? If it does not, theoretically, if that is all that I ate to live, I myself would become Christ since no other elements would contribute to my physicality than Christ’s body, blood, and soul.
So, if this is true, do any of you think that you are really, actually Christ, cell for cell, blood for blood? If not, how do you get past this?
In sencerity,
Michael
If the eucharist actually turns into the body, blood, and soul of Christ, when does it turn back to bread and wine? If it does not, theoretically, if that is all that I ate to live, I myself would become Christ since no other elements would contribute to my physicality than Christ’s body, blood, and soul.
So, if this is true, do any of you think that you are really, actually Christ, cell for cell, blood for blood? If not, how do you get past this?
In sencerity,
Michael
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