Is Evolution Compatible With Catholicism?

[samiam1611]

Vatican 1 Canon 1 clause 5 states Evolution is totally forbidden and anathema to and for Catholics and saint Pope Pius X stated that Modernism is a heresy and in fact the synthesis of all heresies and its chief doctrine is Evolution - twinc

Oh wow. You know Pascendi dominici gregis (the enyclical by Pope Pius X on the topic of modernism) is not talking about the evolution of life right? It’s about the evolution of dogma.

And this is Vatican 1 Canon 1 Clause 5:

If anyone
does not confess that the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, were produced, according to their whole substance, out of nothing by God; or
holds that God did not create by his will free from all necessity, but as necessarily as he necessarily loves himself; or
denies that the world was created for the glory of God:
let him be anathema.

The word evolution is not even mentioned.

 

[samiam1611]

Vatican 1 Canon 1 clause 5 states Evolution is totally forbidden and anathema to and for Catholics and saint Pope Pius X stated that Modernism is a heresy and in fact the synthesis of all heresies and its chief doctrine is Evolution - twinc

Oh wowwww. twinc, are talking about Pascendi dominici gregis (the enyclical by Pope Pius X on the topic of modernism)? You know it’s not talking about the evolution of biological life right? It’s about the evolution of dogma.

vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis_en.html

And this is Vatican 1 Canon 1 Clause 5:

" If anyone

• does not confess that the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, were produced, according to their whole substance, out of nothing by God; or
• holds that God did not create by his will free from all necessity, but as necessarily as he necessarily loves himself; or
• denies that the world was created for the glory of God:

let him be anathema."

papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm#CANONS

The word evolution is not even mentioned.

 

[twinc]

One more thing, Twinkie. When you make a point you need to quote it and paste it, because your credibility is zero. Highlight the word “evolution” in Vatican 1 Canon 1 clause 5, please, and then, after you can’t find it, compare it to Vatican 2’s significant redress without emptying your mind of punctuation-less blather.

Make it very plain that you are after truth and not hoping to sow confusion. Try not to run your “seances” together, and try to respond to your critics in a reasoned way, and you may yet succeed in redefining the Church’s stated position on Evolutionary Theory, which is, that it is not in conflict with church Teaching when understood provisionally.

I don’t want to be a mewling Creationist zealot who doesn’t care what the Church really states on the subject of evolution, or confuse evolution with cosmological arguments, but there might be somebody out there waiting for you to make a good, solid, earnest point without resorting to quote mining, subterfuge, character assassination, and even blasphemy… After all, convincing the rest of us of the righteousness of your point of view will be incredibly difficult in light of the truth, but you’re welcome to try.

Now wait for it…

“The Church has stated there is no conflict with evolutionary theory provided it is understood provisionally. Please review the relevant posts.”

Get to work, Twinks.

N2M4L

of course adding confusion to confusion and then stating it is I and the Church and even God have got it wrong and are confused will get you nowhere except maybe confuse some others - so let me try and put you back on the right track after your derailment and untwist the twist - Creationists accept that True Science and the Bible and the Church can and must and do agree but what is being dished up here is pseudo/phony science - twinc

 

[no2masters4life]

of course adding confusion to confusion and then stating it is I and the Church and even God have got it wrong and are confused will get you nowhere except maybe confuse some others - so let me try and put you back on the right track after your derailment and untwist the twist - Creationists accept that True Science and the Bible and the Church can and must and do agree but what is being dished up here is pseudo/phony science - twinc

I noticed you are now banned, Twinkie. This is no accident. You lied on this forum about what the Church teaches and you got caught. You were found out. No hidden thing remains hidden among the faithful.

Looking over 19 pages of exchanges between you, me, and others, it is also clear that you refused to check your Catechism, you did not admit what the Church really teaches when shown quotations in context, you impuned the integrity of modern Popes, you trafficked in Creationist Protestant propaganda, you failed to answer counterarguments without resorting to slander or tergiversation…

Justa siggestion. Before you come back under a new name, why not take time to recommit yourself to what God through His Church teaches about evolutionary theory.

 

[macaddicted]

I noticed you are now banned, Twinkie. This is no accident. You lied on this forum about what the Church teaches and you got caught. You were found out. No hidden thing remains hidden among the faithful.

Looking over 19 pages of exchanges between you, me, and others, it is also clear that you refused to check your Catechism, you did not admit what the Church really teaches when shown quotations in context, you impuned the integrity of modern Popes, you trafficked in Creationist Protestant propaganda, you failed to answer counterarguments without resorting to slander or tergiversation…

Justa siggestion. Before you come back under a new name, why not take time to recommit yourself to what God through His Church teaches about evolutionary theory.

OK, I had to look up “tergiversation.” Suddenly I feel less cocky about being able to use “homoousios” properly in a sentence.

I’d given up. I’ve had discussions like the one this descended into on usenet and they just don’t interest me anymore. Though looking through my library I did come across a book I thought I’d lost, so there’s something good…

 

[no2masters4life]

OK, I had to look up “tergiversation.” Suddenly I feel less cocky about being able to use “homoousios” properly in a sentence.

I’d given up. I’ve had discussions like the one this descended into on usenet and they just don’t interest me anymore. Though looking through my library I did come across a book I thought I’d lost, so there’s something good…

Don’t give up. Intelligent people need to stay in the fight. Would you like to be friends?

N2M4L