Is Evolution Compatible With Catholicism?

[macaddicted]

if Catholics are not Biblical literalists they should be because the Church teaches that the literal and obvious sense must always be accepted unless reason or necessity dictate otherwise

The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church II, B, 1
The literal sense is not to be confused with the “literalist” sense to which fundamentalists are attached.

I shall wait, as always happens, for the explanation that the document is not authoritative, even though it was a) released under the auspices of the CDF and, b) quotes biblical, encyclical and Church Father sources just in this section. And hey, you can find it on the Vatican web site too (though not in English). Even such heterodox sites as EWTN.

 

[macaddicted]

yes but it seems the truth is,as I read somewhere, that NASA based its calculations on a stationary earth and consequently were bang/spot on target - so here we go again on the old merry go round getting off one horse but sadly getting right back on to another - twinc

No, not so much. For earth orbital systems, such as satellites this is true, but not for the interplanetary spacecraft I mentioned. Many of the most recent launches have required multiple fly-bys of inner solar system planets for gravitational assists in missions to the outer planets. The Voyager missions required a series of planetary fly-bys to move from encounter to encounter.

NASA used Kepler, not Brahe.

 

[twinc]

You are mischaracterizing evolution. Do scientists ever refer to “kinds”? They refer to species. An evolutionary biologist can show you how species evolve from one to the next. EX: wolves and dogs are two separate species who descend from a common ancestor.
lets make the last the first for a laugh - Evolution theory does not appear on the index and does not get a single mention

the same sitting twentieth century Pope,probably following or ignoring the advice of the evolutionary scientists of the PAS had to be rightly informed by creationist scientists that it does not take millions of years for coal and oil to form.

for the very reason that some may tend to blind or misled Catholics with Science,catholics we see were rightly advised to consult their Catholic experts and specialists in both the disciplines of science and theology and these can be found together and united at www.kolbecenter.org - so if you have a doubt about the veracity of the text book geological column and the non existant geological column try and convince them- as I read it Creationists have learnt that pseudo/phoney science is replete with false info,fakes,frauds,cons,hoaxes,fantasy,fiction etc - this is,therefore,not acceptable - another problem is that so many presume they know and are presenting “this is what the Church teaches” - commonsense dictates that the Church cannot be alongside each and every Catholic as they read and interpret the Scriptures[Bible],so guide lines have been rightly laid down that firstly the Bible is totally inerrant in all its parts even where it touches on science,history,cosmology etc and the literal and obvious sense must always be accepted unless reason or necessity dictate otherwise - twinc

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[macaddicted]

Check out this book: angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/8338/evolution-judged-by-reason-and-faith

Blessings!

Quote: The Cardinal uses the findings of embryology, anatomy, physiology, genetics, paleontology, etc. against the positions favoring evolution of both body and soul.

There might be some Catholics out there studying the “evolution” of the soul. They need to look at Humani.

 

[minkymurph]

creationists are also asking why evolution is being accepted and taught and the reason appears to be that not just with evolution but what the Church teaches as regards contraception,divorce,abortion,women priests is also being blatantly ignored - real evolution postulates that in an instant[via a big bang]something came from nothing and turned into everything and you via goo and zoo - twinc

Some say the big bang is evidence of God. Are they ‘real’ evolutionists?

Thomas Aquinas wrote on the big bang and first cause. Was he a ‘real’ evolutionist?

Does the Church teach Catholics must reject the big bang theory?

 

[no2masters4life]

lets make the last the first for a laugh - Evolution theory does not appear on the index and does not get a single mention

Let’s stop laughing and start worshipping Jesus according to Church teaching. The Trinity does not get a single mention in the Scripture, yet it is very obviously implied and we believe in it.

Here, from this web site:

archive.catholic.com/library/Creation_and_Genesis.asp

the same sitting twentieth century Pope,probably following or ignoring the advice of the evolutionary scientists of the PAS had to be rightly informed by creationist scientists that it does not take millions of years for coal and oil to form.

Links? Facts? Evidence? Start supporting your claims. What major university has contributed non-evolutionary evidence to any geological study that successfully found oil or coal deposits where evolutionary science said they couldn’t be found?

for the very reason that some may tend to blind or misled Catholics with Science,catholics we see were rightly advised to consult their Catholic experts and specialists in both the disciplines of science and theology and these can be found together and united at www.kolbecenter.org - so if you have a doubt about the veracity of the text book geological column and the non existant geological column try and convince them- as I read it Creationists have learnt that pseudo/phoney science is replete with false info,fakes,frauds,cons,hoaxes,fantasy,fiction etc - this is,therefore,not acceptable - another problem is that so many presume they know and are presenting “this is what the Church teaches” - commonsense dictates that the Church cannot be alongside each and every Catholic as they read and interpret the Scriptures[Bible],so guide lines have been rightly laid down that firstly the Bible is totally inerrant in all its parts even where it touches on science,history,cosmology etc and the literal and obvious sense must always be accepted unless reason or necessity dictate otherwise - twinc

You are clearly a Protestant masquerading as a Catholic. I intend to report this to our forum heads as you deliberately spread misinformation as Catholic teaching. You have attacked the authority of Church Teaching and tried too supplant it with your belief that the Scriptures are “totally inerrant” and can be used in lieu of church Teaching to know the truth. This is the Lutheran heresy.

I’ve visited the Kolbe Center. This quote stood out:

“I largely credit non-Catholic Christians with my return to faith in a personal God. I found their teachings on Genesis to be very Catholic and continue to maintain a deep respect for them. Books and tapes from Protestant ministries such as Answers in Genesis and The Institute for Creation Research were key to my return to the Catholic faith.”

I think we’re done here. If you want to pass Protestant propaganda on a “Catholic” website, you’re going to need the approval of an Arch Bishop. Or did you not know that?

 

[twinc]

Some say the big bang is evidence of God. Are they ‘real’ evolutionists?

Thomas Aquinas wrote on the big bang and first cause. Was he a ‘real’ evolutionist?

Does the Church teach Catholics must reject the big bang theory?

The Church does not say a big bang created the heavens and the earth - twinc

 

[minkymurph]

The Church does not say a big bang created the heavens and the earth - twinc

So, does that mean there was a big bang, or there wasn’t?

 

[minkymurph]

The Church does not say a big bang created the heavens and the earth - twinc

Does it say it didn’t happen?

 

[Mungling]

I am not here to discuss the validity of evolution. Please do not try to persuade myself or others whether or not evolution is correct; it is not the topic of this discussion. Please avoid a hellfire

My question is in the title: I believe in evolution, and I believe in God. I wish to join a religion and am undecided between Catholicism or Islam. If I believe in evolution, am I in conflict with Catholic belief? Can I still be a devout, practicing Catholic who believes in evolution?

Oh boy, is it ever! While there are certain aspects of the Genesis account the Catholics are required to believe the details are by in large debatable. Since Evolution is essentially the best way to describe species variation, homologies, vestigial traits and so much more I think it’s probably the best guess as to the mechanism of God’s creation.

What greater testament is there to the eternal majesty of God’s creation than the delicate machinery that is any living thing. Learning about DNA replication, seeing the interplay of species, knowing about incredible ways macromolecules zip around our body… it’s awesome in the original sense of the word.

As a side note, as someone who was considering Islam and is still very enamored with the concept, I feel there would be some benefit in a discussion between us. I’m sure you get enough of that at home in RL but if you’re interested drop me a PM.

 

[twinc]

Does it say it didn’t happen?

just like Evolution,the Big BANG that supposedly created everything from nothing is not mentioned in either the Catechism or the Bible,but a big bang that will do what big bangs do will destroy [and not create]the world is mentioned in both the catechism and the Bible - twinc

 

[RaymondJensen]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution

Also a clip from Genisis 1:9-13

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:9-13&version=NASB

Earth was created on the third day. Don’t forget God transcends time. He might have done it on the hours 48-72 of his beginning everything then on the fourth day created the sun which would have to come before earth but then again that’s hours 72-96 of his work which could take place at any time in history.

 

[twinc]

Let’s stop laughing and start worshipping Jesus according to Church teaching. The Trinity does not get a single mention in the Scripture, yet it is very obviously implied and we believe in it.

Here, from this web site:

archive.catholic.com/library/Creation_and_Genesis.asp

Links? Facts? Evidence? Start supporting your claims. What major university has contributed non-evolutionary evidence to any geological study that successfully found oil or coal deposits where evolutionary science said they couldn’t be found?

You are clearly a Protestant masquerading as a Catholic. I intend to report this to our forum heads as you deliberately spread misinformation as Catholic teaching. You have attacked the authority of Church Teaching and tried too supplant it with your belief that the Scriptures are “totally inerrant” and can be used in lieu of church Teaching to know the truth. This is the Lutheran heresy.

I’ve visited the Kolbe Center. This quote stood out:

“I largely credit non-Catholic Christians with my return to faith in a personal God. I found their teachings on Genesis to be very Catholic and continue to maintain a deep respect for them. Books and tapes from Protestant ministries such as Answers in Genesis and The Institute for Creation Research were key to my return to the Catholic faith.”

I think we’re done here. If you want to pass Protestant propaganda on a “Catholic” website, you’re going to need the approval of an Arch Bishop. Or did you not know that?

not at all - cradle to [now at 81]grave Catholic - it will be impossible for you to prove otherwise - sadly many Catholics are biblically deficient and the Church is now taking measures to put this to right - as a Catholic it is binding to accept that the Bible is the word of God and so is totally inerrant in all its parts and no Archbishop will even care or dare to deny this - btw I as a Catholic creationist find myself more at home with other Christian creationists than with Catholic evolutionists or Catholics who would reject the authority and total inerrancy of the Bible which is a Catholic book and treasure - btw the Trinity does get a mention in the Scriptures and that Abraham’s God is a triune God - so we see it not only behoves us to read and love the Scriptures but also to search and study it for ignorance of scriptures is ignorance of Christ - twinc

 

[RaymondJensen]

not at all - cradle to [now at 81]grave Catholic - it will be impossible for you to prove otherwise - sadly many Catholics are biblically deficient and the Church is now taking measures to put this to right - as a Catholic it is binding to accept that the Bible is the word of God and so is totally inerrant in all its parts and no Archbishop will even care or dare to deny this - btw I as a Catholic creationist find myself more at home with other Christian creationists than with Catholic evolutionists or Catholics who would reject the authority and total inerrancy of the Bible which is a Catholic book and treasure - btw the Trinity does get a mention in the Scriptures and that Abraham’s God is a triune God - so we see it not only behoves us to read and love the Scriptures but also to search and study it for ignorance of scriptures is ignorance of Christ - twinc

though the bible does have truth, you have to realize sometimes God speaks in symbolism

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

As you can see God doesn’t always say the truth in concrete terms. I’m glad of that because I have aspergers syndrome and the bible was the stepping stone of me realizing life isn’t always in concrete.

 

[macaddicted]

btw the Trinity does get a mention in the Scriptures and that Abraham’s God is a triune God - so we see it not only behoves us to read and love the Scriptures but also to search and study it for ignorance of scriptures is ignorance of Christ - twinc

Then why were the Arians wrong? They were defending the primacy of God, and using scripture to do it.

There is a method to studying scripture that Catholics must adhere to. A good explication was given by Cardinal Mauro Piacenza, the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy recently addressed seminarians at St. John’s Seminary, the seminary for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and my graduate school.

As reported by CNA:

“The triptych of Scripture-Tradition-Magisterium, from the strictly historical point of view, should really be configured as: Tradition, understood as the place in which Scripture is brought forth, Scripture and tradition linked to Scripture; and everything authoritatively interpreted by the Magisterium, that is, by the legitimate successors of the apostles,” the cardinal explained.

This kind of configuration wisely prevents “illegitimate” one-sidedness. In order to read, know and follow the Sacred Scriptures, a priest should read them always taking into account the pneumatic aspect, that is, the essential participation of the Holy Spirit. “If Christ is the fullness of revelation and the entire existence of Christ is in the Spirit, then revelation itself is a pneumatic event: the Spirit animates tradition, the Spirit inspires Scripture and the Spirit guides the Magisterium in the task of authoritatively interpreting Scripture and tradition,” the cardinal said.

He underscored that in reading the Scriptures in the Spirit, “any focus that is merely positivist or limited to historicism and that does not allow for the understanding of the real meaning of the text should be avoided. If we approach the Scriptures overlooking their pneumatic dimension, they end up saying nothing, and instead of talking to us about God and making us hear his voice, they simply narrate a story.”

 

[macaddicted]

not at all - cradle to [now at 81]grave Catholic

Oh, and may the grave stay far into your future.

 

[minkymurph]

just like Evolution,the Big BANG that supposedly created everything from nothing is not mentioned in either the Catechism or the Bible,but a big bang that will do what big bangs do will destroy [and not create]the world is mentioned in both the catechism and the Bible - twinc

So, the ‘Big Bang’ was an actual event?

 

[twinc]

So, the ‘Big Bang’ was an actual event?

not was but will be and this is guaranteed - twinc

 

[no2masters4life]

just like Evolution,the Big BANG that supposedly created everything from nothing is not mentioned in either the Catechism or the Bible,but a big bang that will do what big bangs do will destroy [and not create]the world is mentioned in both the catechism and the Bible - twinc

You mischaracterize the Big Bang. Please site evidence,

 

[twinc]

Then why were the Arians wrong? They were defending the primacy of God, and using scripture to do it.

There is a method to studying scripture that Catholics must adhere to. A good explication was given by Cardinal Mauro Piacenza, the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy recently addressed seminarians at St. John’s Seminary, the seminary for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and my graduate school.

As reported by CNA:

“The triptych of Scripture-Tradition-Magisterium, from the strictly historical point of view, should really be configured as: Tradition, understood as the place in which Scripture is brought forth, Scripture and tradition linked to Scripture; and everything authoritatively interpreted by the Magisterium, that is, by the legitimate successors of the apostles,” the cardinal explained.

This kind of configuration wisely prevents “illegitimate” one-sidedness. In order to read, know and follow the Sacred Scriptures, a priest should read them always taking into account the pneumatic aspect, that is, the essential participation of the Holy Spirit. “If Christ is the fullness of revelation and the entire existence of Christ is in the Spirit, then revelation itself is a pneumatic event: the Spirit animates tradition, the Spirit inspires Scripture and the Spirit guides the Magisterium in the task of authoritatively interpreting Scripture and tradition,” the cardinal said.

He underscored that in reading the Scriptures in the Spirit, “any focus that is merely positivist or limited to historicism and that does not allow for the understanding of the real meaning of the text should be avoided. If we approach the Scriptures overlooking their pneumatic dimension, they end up saying nothing, and instead of talking to us about God and making us hear his voice, they simply narrate a story.”

there are suggestions ad infinitum how the Bible should or should not be read and understood but the Church teaches that we are to follow the rule laid down by St.Augustine and seconded by Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus and any interpretation of scripture that the Fathers taught unanimously on a matter of faith or morals[Council of Trent and Vatican 1] - btw all the Fathers who wrote on the subject believed that the creation period was no longer than six 24-hour-days and that the world was only thousands of years old - so why the acceptance of the way out,weird and wacky - twinc