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4elise
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when you find out, please post it here
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Aquinas62
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I would be suprised if it is more than 25% of convicted murderers actually serve life…I dont have the statistics but I do know this, once a murderer is executed, he or she will never kill again.
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4elise
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I wonder if the changes to laws like the option for no parole has changed this?
And yes it is a permanent solution - one that isn’t embraced by JPII or Pope Benedict
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Sailor_Kenshin
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And not to forget that they can and do continue to operate their rackets from prison, including drug dealing and hits.
The extra added benefit of becoming celebrities can’t be overstated.
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maryjk
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I have been trying to find the name of the man that was in for life, but contracted the killing of his family??? or the witness??? or someone. And then he got sentenced with death. I haven’t found it, but he was pretty old, and ill, but that didn’t stop him from continuing to kill. When I find it, I will post it here.
Because we can’t put people in solitary, or cut off their mail, or not let them have visitors, it has become increasingly hard to stop lifers from continuing to commit crimes.
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ern42
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No, the church was behind their execution. And thousands and thousand are 4000 and then some. If you have any doubts about the church’s involvement. Take a trip to Peru, under the Catholic church you will find the Palace of the Inquision, where you can see first hand the torchure devices used on poor human beings. The that persecution last approx. from 538 A.D thru almost 1798. Just like the Palace of the Inquisition, you will be able to find other church based torchure chambers through out South America and the world. Unfortunately cowards after they do something always blam someone else for their specific and deliberate actions. Jesus Christ is comming SOON, and many are going to be very surprised!!! Many think they are doing his will, yet by their fruits you will now who they really are. Someone WILL ANSWER for those innocent men, women and children blood. GUARANTEED!!! Keep lying to yourself, saying that the Catholic Church didn’t have anything to do with that. Or trying to quantify a human life. Now the church is wooried about human rights, but back then the church was killing the innocent. And still the Catholic Church proclaims itself as “the church of GOD”. Please!!! Jesus NEVER killed or murdered because people didn’t follow him or did he?
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Sunflower15
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From maximum security prisons? I have a hard time believing that…
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Sunflower15
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In maximum security prisons they do control everything…and to me, is a much worse punishment for criminals frankly. However, it does not injure OUR souls by committing murder unnecessarily.I have been trying to find the name of the man that was in for life, but contracted the killing of his family??? or the witness??? or someone. And then he got sentenced with death. I haven’t found it, but he was pretty old, and ill, but that didn’t stop him from continuing to kill. When I find it, I will post it here.
Because we can’t put people in solitary, or cut off their mail, or not let them have visitors, it has become increasingly hard to stop lifers from continuing to commit crimes.
Some people are against capital punishment out of compassion for the criminals. I am not. It is out of:
- obedience to God in not killing unnecessarily
- allowing God to ‘work’ in their souls, if He so desires [they belong to Him after all…]
- punishing; I think it is easier to simply die than to spend a lifetime in a maximum security prison without the possibility of parole…
What do you think?
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ChadS
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This post does not correspond to any version of history I am aware of.
I suppose we really will.
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Ender
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The first Europeans to explore western South America didn’t arrive until 1522. Did you mean to say the persecution started in 1538 instead of 538?
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Ender
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Whatever you may think of it, neither the Church nor any state has ever considered the execution of a criminal to be murder. That term has a specific meaning that isn’t subject to your personal opinion.
It would seem to be necessary if God himself calls for it, which he did in Gen 9:6, a Scripture verse the Church continues to cite.
If God decides to “work” in their souls then whatever the amount of time available to him would surely be enough.
The question should really be determined not by anyone’s personal opinion but by which punishment is most appropriate for the crime. For the crime of murder the most appropriate punishment should surely sometimes included execution.
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ern42
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I guess that you aren’t aware of much history then or your just in denial. Never the less, the entire world knows of the horrors conducted by the Catholic Church during the inquisition. 
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ern42
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In May 11th of the year 330 A.D. the emperor Constantine transfered the imperial capital to Constantinople. Constantine left his thrown, power and authority with his religous leader in Rome. (The start of papal power).
In 538 A.D. the papal state had conquered the 3 major staes it was in conflict with. Marking the start of papel supremecy.
Before the 12th century, the Catholic Church already suppressed what it saw as heresy, usually through a system of ecclesiastical proscription or imprisonment, but rarely directly resorting to torture or executions — this form of punishment had many ecclesiastical opponents, although some non-secular[citation needed] countries punished heresy with the death penalty.
In the 12th century, in order to counter the spread of Catharism, prosecution of heretics became more frequent. The Church charged councils composed of bishops and archbishops with establishing inquisitions. (Episcopal Inquisition)
In the 13th century, Pope Gregory IX (reigned 1227–1241) assigned the duty of carrying out inquisitions to the Dominican Order. Inquisitors acted in the name of the Pope and with his full authority. They used inquisitorial procedures, a legal practice common at that time. They judged heresy alone, using the local authorities to establish a tribunal and to prosecute heretics. After the end of the twelfth century, a Grand Inquisitor headed each Inquisition. Inquisition in this way persisted until the 19th century. By the early 16th century, the Roman Catholic Church had become the only Christian church in Western Europe. Then, when it felt itself threatened by what it perceived as the schism of the Reformation, it reacted. Paul III (Pope from 1534 to 1549) established a system of tribunals, ruled by the “Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition”, and staffed by cardinals and other Church officials. This system would later become known as the Roman Inquisition.
In 1908 Saint Pope Pius X renamed the organisation: it became the “Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office”. This in its turn became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1965, which name continues to this day.
In practice, the Inquisition would not pronounce sentence, but handed over convicted heretics to secular authorities.
“I didn’t kill the sheep, I just held it while you killed it”
And some try to say…
It was a few lost souls that were in charge of these terrible acts. Yes they were lost, but they weren’t just a few they were the organization as a whole!
In 538 A.D. the papal state had conquered the 3 major staes it was in conflict with. Marking the start of papel supremecy.
Before the 12th century, the Catholic Church already suppressed what it saw as heresy, usually through a system of ecclesiastical proscription or imprisonment, but rarely directly resorting to torture or executions — this form of punishment had many ecclesiastical opponents, although some non-secular[citation needed] countries punished heresy with the death penalty.
In the 12th century, in order to counter the spread of Catharism, prosecution of heretics became more frequent. The Church charged councils composed of bishops and archbishops with establishing inquisitions. (Episcopal Inquisition)
In the 13th century, Pope Gregory IX (reigned 1227–1241) assigned the duty of carrying out inquisitions to the Dominican Order. Inquisitors acted in the name of the Pope and with his full authority. They used inquisitorial procedures, a legal practice common at that time. They judged heresy alone, using the local authorities to establish a tribunal and to prosecute heretics. After the end of the twelfth century, a Grand Inquisitor headed each Inquisition. Inquisition in this way persisted until the 19th century. By the early 16th century, the Roman Catholic Church had become the only Christian church in Western Europe. Then, when it felt itself threatened by what it perceived as the schism of the Reformation, it reacted. Paul III (Pope from 1534 to 1549) established a system of tribunals, ruled by the “Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition”, and staffed by cardinals and other Church officials. This system would later become known as the Roman Inquisition.
In 1908 Saint Pope Pius X renamed the organisation: it became the “Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office”. This in its turn became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1965, which name continues to this day.
In practice, the Inquisition would not pronounce sentence, but handed over convicted heretics to secular authorities.
“I didn’t kill the sheep, I just held it while you killed it”
And some try to say…It was a few lost souls that were in charge of these terrible acts. Yes they were lost, but they weren’t just a few they were the organization as a whole!
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ern42
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Happy Sabbath to All!
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judechild
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ern42
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Great you finally get it!
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Sunflower15
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Appropriate according to whom? THAT is the THE problem…governments and people are NOT just, nor fair, and sometimes neither are laws…That is why Justice is best left to God in terms of ending lives…
However, the crime of murder cannot have been performed by an innocent wrongfully convicted inmate…right? Therefore, it IS murder to kill that innocent person…
However, our system punishes different people differently for the same crime…and not everyone is on Death Row for being a murderer…there are many different crimes ranging from narcotics, to treason, to rape, etc…however, not everyone who commits those gets the same sentence…
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Sunflower15
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Are you SDA?Happy Sabbath to All!
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didymus
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As far as I know they are correct. Appeals courts, including the Supreme Court, do not look at facts, they look at issues of law like did the defendant receive a fair trial, was the evidence legally obtained, did he have adequate counsel, &c, &c. – not on facts like actual guilt or innocence.
That said, since all these convictions occur at the state level I think it is up to governors to at least stay an execution until whatever necessary evidence is gathered that might establish innocence. Ideally, state legislatures should pass laws providing a mechanism for how to handle post-conviction claims of innocence based on new evidence.
So redirect your anger away from Justices Thomas & Alito who are doing their job and toward the executives and legislatures of the “several states”.
Maybe you should also check how many governors and legislators got their start in politics as district attorneys
[Just kidding!]
If only ! 
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