Is Failure To Act a Sin?

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In Defense of One’s Country

Is failure to defend one’s country against a perceived evil a sin?

Is ignoring the damage being done by the perceived evil a sin in itself?

Can a person take it upon himself to defend his country by violent act in order to restore the status quo which history has shown would make a better and safer world?

How much authority does God give each of us to rebel or defend in order to make a better world?

Does leaving every decision to higher authorities actually excuse the individual from responsibility of action?
 
When there is a just cause, and we have the requisite strength, and when it would not be detrimental to the common good, then it might be permissible.

Practically, the just cause may exist, but the other conditions would hardly ever be also present, the means would be wanting especially in the large States of these days, and the detriment to the common good would be so great, even were success to crown the undertaking. Prayer to God would be nearly always the only available remedy.

There are many forms of action other than rebellion, so no you are not excused from doing nothing at all, but what you do must do good not harm. There is still plenty of room for more people to perform the spiritual and corporal works of mercy.
 
I have a feeling I know where this thread is intended to go…
 
If by failure to act you mean assassination of a president or leader of your own or another country, it is probably a grave sin to act. As frustrating as it might be there are proper ways to change things and there are very questionable ways. Also killing abortion providers is not a good act.
 
It is not morally licit to make an evil act even if the intent is a get a good outcome. For example, one is not morally justified to bomb an abortion clinic.
 
If by failure to act you mean assassination of a president or leader of your own or another country, it is probably a grave sin to act. As frustrating as it might be there are proper ways to change things and there are very questionable ways. Also killing abortion providers is not a good act.
What happens to people who commit what may appear to be a horrible act but years later are turned into folk heroes by historians who say that the country or world is now a better place because these people made the sacrifice that others refused to make.

It would seem to me that our world would never have been civilized if it wasn’t for people or governments doing what looked like horrible things by today’s standard of morality.

On the other hand, criminals doing unspeakable acts are now so protected by laws that they feel free to do as they wish. Our very world is threatened by these people. Are people who refuse to act responsible for creating these criminals?
 
What happens to people who commit what may appear to be a horrible act but years later are turned into folk heroes by historians who say that the country or world is now a better place because these people made the sacrifice that others refused to make.

It would seem to me that our world would never have been civilized if it wasn’t for people or governments doing what looked like horrible things by today’s standard of morality.

On the other hand, criminals doing unspeakable acts are now so protected by laws that they feel free to do as they wish. Our very world is threatened by these people. Are people who refuse to act responsible for creating these criminals?
Why don’t you come out and say exactly what you’re talking about, instead of hiding it?
 
Why don’t you come out and say exactly what you’re talking about, instead of hiding it?
😛 'Cause it sure looks like it’s headed towards vigilantism!

Oh, come on, mate? Don’t you think the early Christians *could *have assassinated Nero, or Domnician?

But they didn’t. Know why? Because it would have been un-Christian. Christ, could have, after all, smitten the Sanhedrin and Pilate and the whole of the Roman empire, but He didn’t.

But let’s think of it in another way. Cake tastes very good. But…It’ll kill you. Ohh! Wanton sex feels very good! But it’s not! ahem Good, that is.

So think, then, how very satisfied you would feel should you put a bullet in Amedin…Easier to say than spell…The fella from Iran’s head. You’ld feel great!

But it’d be bad.

Because we aren’t here to satisfy the flesh, or even the spirit, but only to serve God.

Therefore, our conduct should be seemly in the eyes of the Most High, and murderous are not the ways of holy men!
 
What happens to people who commit what may appear to be a horrible act but years later are turned into folk heroes by historians who say that the country or world is now a better place because these people made the sacrifice that others refused to make.

It would seem to me that our world would never have been civilized if it wasn’t for people or governments doing what looked like horrible things by today’s standard of morality.

On the other hand, criminals doing unspeakable acts are now so protected by laws that they feel free to do as they wish. Our very world is threatened by these people. Are people who refuse to act responsible for creating these criminals?
You did not see, for example, any Colonial revolutionary taking a pot shot at King George III. For the most part they were civilly disobedient and it turned into war only after they were attacked.! Some of the greatest persons who have changed the world or their country were non-violent. Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Archbishop Tutu, etc.
 
=apriori;4913556]In Defense of One’s Country
LEFT]Is failure to defend one’s country against a perceived evil a sin?
One would need more information to provide a solid answer. But if its serious matter, known as a serious sin, and there is a desire to do it anyway; yes.
Is ignoring the damage being done by the perceived evil a sin in itself?{/QUOTE] Again more information is needed. But yes, one can sin Greviously by knowledgeable and intentional Ommission, if other circumstances are present.
Can a person take it upon himself to defend his country by violent act in order to restore the status quo which history has shown would make a better and safer world?
Their could be an issue of ligitment defence of one’s country, but again insufficient information.
How much authority does God give each of us to rebel or defend in order to make a better world?
Reasonable, prudent and equlivent force could be warranted and justified.
Does leaving every decision to higher authorities actually excuse the individual from responsibility of action?
No, we all have a GRAVE Moral responsibility to have a properly informed conscience.

The Catecheism: “1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.”

Love and prayers,
 
In Defense of One’s Country

Is failure to defend one’s country against a perceived evil a sin?

Is ignoring the damage being done by the perceived evil a sin in itself?

Can a person take it upon himself to defend his country by violent act in order to restore the status quo which history has shown would make a better and safer world?

How much authority does God give each of us to rebel or defend in order to make a better world?

Does leaving every decision to higher authorities actually excuse the individual from responsibility of action?
Judging by the responses, people feel that it is better to coexist with evil and allow the world to be turned into a hell, than to attempt to destroy evil and eliminate the suffering that it brings to mankind.

Take the Holocaust: Was it better in the eyes of God for an individual Jew to suffer his fate in a death camp ( just allow whatever happens to happen) or to escape and fight back and possibly save some of his fellow prisoners.

Also, most heroes are those who are known only to God. Their acts of bravery were never recorded.

Let us also remember that without support from others, few of those acts would have been accomplished.

There are also those brave men who fought in battle and earned the highest award for bravery, the Congressional Medal of Honor. The citations of their actions are recorded on military websites. But aren’t we responsible to continue their work into civilian life so that what they accomplished was not done to make the world safe temporarily but for all time.
 
As others have said why don’t you tell us exactly what it is you are proposing, or are you to afraid to say it? Because at the moment you are just rambling generalities that aren’t telling us anything.
 
As others have said why don’t you tell us exactly what it is you are proposing, or are you to afraid to say it? Because at the moment you are just rambling generalities that aren’t telling us anything.
I am simply asking what people see as their duty to the world in general.

If people have a purpose on Earth, you would think it involves making it safe for future generations which I don’t believe is our present course.
 
I am simply asking what people see as their duty to the world in general.

If people have a purpose on Earth, you would think it involves making it safe for future generations which I don’t believe is our present course.
Our duty is to God not the world. Our purpose is to know God, love God, serve God in this world, and to be happy with Him forever in the next.

If you are asking what you can do in this life then here are some suggestions:

Feed the hungry
Give drink to the thirsty
Clothe the naked
Shelter the homeless
Visit the sick
Visit those in prison
Bury the dead
Convert the sinner
Instruct the ignorant
Counsel the doubtful
Comfort the sorrowful
Bear wrongs patiently
Forgive injuries
Pray for the living and the dead

Not as glamorous as been a revolutionary but then most revolutions are satanic and only serve to increase peoples suffering.
 
=apriori;4922188]I am simply asking what people see as their duty to the world in general.

If people have a purpose on Earth, you would think it involves making it safe for future generations which I don’t believe is our present course.
My dear friend in Christ,

Your asking a very broad question and seem to expect specific responces.

Life does not work like that.

I am gravely morally obligated to defend my Faith, my Church, my family, my country, in what ever ways and to what ever degree that God and and my properly informed conscience permit me to do.

Our purpose on earth is to Know God, Love God and serve God in this world, in what ever ways God makes manifest to us, in a way pleaseing to God.

Love and prayers,
 
I am simply asking what people see as their duty to the world in general.

If people have a purpose on Earth, you would think it involves making it safe for future generations which I don’t believe is our present course.
‘We’ don’t have a ‘duty to the world in general.’ **I ** have a duty to be Christ to each person I meet; I don’t meet ‘the world in general.’ Vengeance belongs to God, not to me.

Whose course is ‘our present course’? Who is this ‘we’ implied by ‘our’? You are not a corporate being. You seem to be muddled, to think that ‘we’ are supposed to do something for some corporate being not yet in existence - ‘future generations.’ That sounds a lot like what the communists believe, that ‘the people’ should be willing to sacrifice themselves now for some workers’ utopia that will appear for future generations. It’s a misguided view of reality; it denies the absolute and infinite value of each human person and places some dubious corporate identity - ‘we,’ ‘our’ course - in the place of the individual soul. It denies the infinite value in the eyes of God of even the worst sinner, on the grounds that some future generation (which might be even more sinful than our own) has more right to… well, you don’t say a right to what - than the individual sinner now has. But every individual sinner - no matter how great the sin - has the right to life, the right to as many years as God gives him to experience grace and convert his life.

God is personal. He deals with each person on a one-to-one basis; he does not deal with ‘the world in general.’ Jesus taught us to pray, ‘Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.’ Those ‘trespassers’ may be the neighbor who backs into our garbage cans or the ‘doctor’ who kills many in a local abortion clinic, or the dictator who is bringing misery on millions. That ‘trespasser’ could have been St. Augustine stealing the pears from his neighbor’s tree. Had his neighbor decided that ‘future generations’ would be better off without delinquents like Augustine, we would be lacking one of our greatest converts and most illustrious saints.

We are only responsible for our own souls and our own sins. It is not our responsibility to exact what we imagine God’s vengeance should be on someone else; it is for us to avoid all sin ourselves, to pray for those who persecute us, to be merciful exactly to the degree that we hope God will be merciful to us.

Jesus told his Apostles to go and preach the Good News to the whole world - not to go and straighten out the whole world by the power of the sword.

Perhaps you need to re-read the Gospels.
 
What happens to people who commit what may appear to be a horrible act but years later are turned into folk heroes by historians who say that the country or world is now a better place because these people made the sacrifice that others refused to make.
The end does not justify the means. No amount of evil committed against me justifies even the tiniest sin. NOTHING justifies sin - not even ‘historians’ calling you a hero.

Can you name three of these ‘folk heroes’ who have made the world a better place by committing a horrible act?

Any historian who says, ‘The world would be a worse place today if they had not done this horrible act’ is a bad historian. A historian only knows about the past; he cannot predict the future. And he certainly cannot say ‘what the world would have been like’ had this or that event not happened.

The only one who knows the entire history of humanity - down to every thought and every motive in every human heart - from the beginning through the present moment until the consummation of the universe, is GOD. ONLY GOD can possibly know ‘what would have happened if…’ some person had taken or not taken this or that action. Any human being who tries to say, ‘I’m making the world a better place’ or ‘the future will be better because of what I plan to do’ (whether he plans good or evil) risks playing God. No individual human is responsible for ‘the world’ or ‘the future’ or ‘future generations.’ God did not put that responsibility on man; it’s not a demand he makes of you.

We must inform our consciences very carefully and discern well whether what we propose to do is morally acceptable or not. We know that prayer and forgiveness are morally acceptable; we know that loving the sinner while hating the sin are morally acceptable; we know that agression or violence is morally unacceptable except in the case of a direct threat to life, when NO OTHER recourse is possible (for example, a police officer shooting a terrorist who is holding children hostage and strangling them one after another, and who cannot be stopped in any other way). Most of the time there are other ways to deal with evil than to meet evil with evil. That’s why we are taught not to return evil for evil.

Don’t forget that God can bring - and does bring - good out of evil. WE may not be able to see the good or make sense of it; the good may not appear in our lives (if an evil happened to us personally) for many years; it may not appear in human history for many centuries. But we can be SURE, that ‘after great sin comes great grace.’ When we are too zealous to nip OTHER PEOPLE’S sins in the bud (instead of concentrating on our own), we forget that GOD is in charge, and He stands ready and WILL bring grace to every situation that is truly evil.

Each individual has enough to do just trying to be good, to avoid sin today, this hour, this minute, with these people who are around me right now, without imagining that we have responsibility for making some pie-in-the-sky utopia for future generations.

To go back to my original question: name a few of those people who are heroes today, who committed horrible acts - I mean morally indefensible acts. And when you’ve done that, look around at today’s world and tell me precisely how today’s world is ‘a better place’ than it was before they committed those ‘horrible’ acts.
 
‘We’ don’t have a ‘duty to the world in general.’ **I **have a duty to be Christ to each person I meet; I don’t meet ‘the world in general.’ Vengeance belongs to God, not to me.

Whose course is ‘our present course’? Who is this ‘we’ implied by ‘our’? You are not a corporate being. You seem to be muddled, to think that ‘we’ are supposed to do something for some corporate being not yet in existence - ‘future generations.’ That sounds a lot like what the communists believe, that ‘the people’ should be willing to sacrifice themselves now for some workers’ utopia that will appear for future generations. It’s a misguided view of reality; it denies the absolute and infinite value of each human person and places some dubious corporate identity - ‘we,’ ‘our’ course - in the place of the individual soul. It denies the infinite value in the eyes of God of even the worst sinner, on the grounds that some future generation (which might be even more sinful than our own) has more right to… well, you don’t say a right to what - than the individual sinner now has. But every individual sinner - no matter how great the sin - has the right to life, the right to as many years as God gives him to experience grace and convert his life.

God is personal. He deals with each person on a one-to-one basis; he does not deal with ‘the world in general.’ Jesus taught us to pray, ‘Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.’ Those ‘trespassers’ may be the neighbor who backs into our garbage cans or the ‘doctor’ who kills many in a local abortion clinic, or the dictator who is bringing misery on millions. That ‘trespasser’ could have been St. Augustine stealing the pears from his neighbor’s tree. Had his neighbor decided that ‘future generations’ would be better off without delinquents like Augustine, we would be lacking one of our greatest converts and most illustrious saints.

We are only responsible for our own souls and our own sins. It is not our responsibility to exact what we imagine God’s vengeance should be on someone else; it is for us to avoid all sin ourselves, to pray for those who persecute us, to be merciful exactly to the degree that we hope God will be merciful to us.

Jesus told his Apostles to go and preach the Good News to the whole world - not to go and straighten out the whole world by the power of the sword.

Perhaps you need to re-read the Gospels.
But did Jesus tell his apostles to concern themselves only with their OWN salvation? Am I not my brother’s keeper? If what you refer to as a “corporate being” means worring about what is going on in the world and what will happen to future generations if I do nothing to stop evil, then I guess I am a “corporate being”.

Maybe I have the wrong idea of what Jesus died on the cross for. I always thought that Jesus was leading by example. Actions speak louder than words, right? What if your Gospel said, “Jesus lived to 85 years of age and died peacefully in His sleep.” I don’t think Christianity would have gotten off the ground with a story that could have applied to anyone’s dead uncle.

I must be a communist too because I believe my life has a purpose that doesn’t necessarily have to be beyond my comprehension and that I have to have bible scholars explain it to me.

Augustine could have also fallen out of the tree and broken his own neck. We know of Augustine because he lived and did something other than worry about his own salvation. Why didn’t he just simply live in a cave and pray?
 
The end does not justify the means. No amount of evil committed against me justifies even the tiniest sin. NOTHING justifies sin - not even ‘historians’ calling you a hero.

Can you name three of these ‘folk heroes’ who have made the world a better place by committing a horrible act?

Any historian who says, ‘The world would be a worse place today if they had not done this horrible act’ is a bad historian. A historian only knows about the past; he cannot predict the future. And he certainly cannot say ‘what the world would have been like’ had this or that event not happened.

The only one who knows the entire history of humanity - down to every thought and every motive in every human heart - from the beginning through the present moment until the consummation of the universe, is GOD. ONLY GOD can possibly know ‘what would have happened if…’ some person had taken or not taken this or that action. Any human being who tries to say, ‘I’m making the world a better place’ or ‘the future will be better because of what I plan to do’ (whether he plans good or evil) risks playing God. No individual human is responsible for ‘the world’ or ‘the future’ or ‘future generations.’ God did not put that responsibility on man; it’s not a demand he makes of you.

We must inform our consciences very carefully and discern well whether what we propose to do is morally acceptable or not. We know that prayer and forgiveness are morally acceptable; we know that loving the sinner while hating the sin are morally acceptable; we know that agression or violence is morally unacceptable except in the case of a direct threat to life, when NO OTHER recourse is possible (for example, a police officer shooting a terrorist who is holding children hostage and strangling them one after another, and who cannot be stopped in any other way). Most of the time there are other ways to deal with evil than to meet evil with evil. That’s why we are taught not to return evil for evil.

Don’t forget that God can bring - and does bring - good out of evil. WE may not be able to see the good or make sense of it; the good may not appear in our lives (if an evil happened to us personally) for many years; it may not appear in human history for many centuries. But we can be SURE, that ‘after great sin comes great grace.’ When we are too zealous to nip OTHER PEOPLE’S sins in the bud (instead of concentrating on our own), we forget that GOD is in charge, and He stands ready and WILL bring grace to every situation that is truly evil.

Each individual has enough to do just trying to be good, to avoid sin today, this hour, this minute, with these people who are around me right now, without imagining that we have responsibility for making some pie-in-the-sky utopia for future generations.

To go back to my original question: name a few of those people who are heroes today, who committed horrible acts - I mean morally indefensible acts. And when you’ve done that, look around at today’s world and tell me precisely how today’s world is ‘a better place’ than it was before they committed those ‘horrible’ acts.
The “end does not justify the means” is really a ridiculous statement. It means it is better to sit and watch human misery than to try to do something about it.

As far as folk heroes, let’s concentrate on one, John Brown the abolutionist. They’ve written songs about him and he is considered “a meteor that hit the earth” and started the American Civil War.

In his quest to free the slaves, he butchered many people that he thought were in favor of slavery. He also fired some of the first shots that began the Civil War while trying to start an uprising among the slaves down South.

Now would the Civil War had been fought had he not done what he did. No one knows. But most historians agree that the South felt threaten after his attack on Harper’s Ferry and they began to form militias in defense and serious considered secession which eventually they did.

Now what if the Civil War had not been fought. Would we still have slavery today? Was the Civil War a just war? Both sides believed that God was on their side. Did the ends justify the means?
 
Our duty is to God not the world. Our purpose is to know God, love God, serve God in this world, and to be happy with Him forever in the next.

If you are asking what you can do in this life then here are some suggestions:

Feed the hungry
Give drink to the thirsty
Clothe the naked
Shelter the homeless
Visit the sick
Visit those in prison
Bury the dead
Convert the sinner
Instruct the ignorant
Counsel the doubtful
Comfort the sorrowful
Bear wrongs patiently
Forgive injuries
Pray for the living and the dead

Not as glamorous as been a revolutionary but then most revolutions are satanic and only serve to increase peoples suffering.
That would take all day!
 
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