Is Famine Possible in the United States?

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If there is a famine, IMO it is more likely that it will be caused by the fact that our basic staple crops are grown in only a very few genetically homogenous varieties. These varieties are highly selected for large yields, low irrigation needs, pesticide and herbicide resistance and hardiness. But if some previously unknown crop ailment (fungus, pest, plant disease, etc) comes along that is fatal to one or more of these very few varieties, we could lose vast quantities of our crop yields almost overnight.

This is why we’ve chosen heirloom vegetables for our home garden. If nothing else, we’re helping keep the biodiversity of nature going so there is potentially a seedbank sitll existing if the industrial crop machine goes kaput. Besides, they’re tasty. What’s not to like? 👍
Are you saving your seeds from your heirloom vegetables?
 
Nah, I’m not that good yet. We buy mail order from the nice hippie folks at Baker Creek Seeds. They’re better at it than me and my support helps keep them going. Plus they do a really good job of picking tasty varieties!
 
On a Christian program the other day they made reference to the disappearance of bees and bats in many states . We know the bees are necessary for pollination and the bats eat the insects which eat the crops.
 
Our fiat money will eventually collapse. Global hyperinflation is directly ahead because there is $4 trillion of unbacked government monopoly money making its way through the global economy. It takes about 18 months for that funny money to cause inflation. I expect that that number to swell to $20 trillion as most countries will print money faster than at any time in the history of the world. Fiat money is toast.

The dollar will probably lose another 50% of its value in the next 3 - 4 years. Food will be the new gold.
About the only way food would be the new gold would be if the current administration makes the use of modern farming methods impossible or terribly expensive. Otherwise, it will be too plentiful to be terribly expensive relative to other goods and services.

I remember one of my grandfather’s sayings: “It doesn’t matter if a hamburger costs a dime if you only have nine cents, and it doesn’t matter if a hamburger costs a hundred dollars if you have a hundred dollars.”
 
The answer is no. If you look at the data, it’s all about profits. Corporate farming means keeping supply below demand so that if you want it, you’ll have to pay more, which puts money into investors’ pockets. And depending on conditions in other states, and around the world, any losses or shortages can be quickly made up.

oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2012/04/oregon_farmers_posted_record_s.html

And then there’s farmers’ markets:

usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentid=2012/05/0149.xml&contentidonly=true

Peace,
Ed
 
Nah, I’m not that good yet. We buy mail order from the nice hippie folks at Baker Creek Seeds. They’re better at it than me and my support helps keep them going. Plus they do a really good job of picking tasty varieties!
Please learn how to harvest the seeds for your next crop, just as we have done for thousands of years. Just do not make the mistake of planting more than one variety of the same vegetable. Plants do cross pollinate.
 
Nah, I’m not that good yet. We buy mail order from the nice hippie folks at Baker Creek Seeds. They’re better at it than me and my support helps keep them going. Plus they do a really good job of picking tasty varieties!
Please learn to save your seeds, just as man has done for thousands of years. Just do not make the mistake of planting two varieties of the same plant if you intend to collect the seeds.
 
On a Christian program the other day they made reference to the disappearance of bees and bats in many states . We know the bees are necessary for pollination and the bats eat the insects which eat the crops.
I have been a beekeeper since 1963. My bees pollinate my fruit orchard. Have you ever tasted orange blossom honey? I also have a bat motel for the bats. Bats can eat a lot of mosquitoes! The mosquito is Louisdiana’s sdtate bird.
 
I think it is possible anywhere. All we need is a severe nationwide drought or too much flooding to cause it.
 
The answer is no. If you look at the data, it’s all about profits. Corporate farming means keeping supply below demand so that if you want it, you’ll have to pay more, which puts money into investors’ pockets. And depending on conditions in other states, and around the world, any losses or shortages can be quickly made up.

oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2012/04/oregon_farmers_posted_record_s.html

And then there’s farmers’ markets:

usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?contentid=2012/05/0149.xml&contentidonly=true

Thanks for your informative links Ed! 👍

:blessyou:

Peace,
Ed
 
The answer is no. If you look at the data, it’s all about profits. Corporate farming means keeping supply below demand so that if you want it, you’ll have to pay more, which puts money into investors’ pockets. And depending on conditions in other states, and around the world, any losses or shortages can be quickly made up.
Corporate farming sure isn’t doing a very good job of keeping supply below demand.
If this assertion was to be credited, one would have to ignore the surpluses that exist in nearly every agricultural commodity all the way up and down the supply chain.

The assertion also does not take into account the very serious competition that exists among agribusinesses.
 
I suggest you read the following:

nass.usda.gov/Newsroom/2012/03_30_2012.asp

"In the poorest developing countries, most farming resembles the primitive rural economy of 19th century Europe. 500 million smallholders labour on plots of less than two hectares, attempting to feed about two billion people, almost a third of humanity.

"This model struggles against the elements and creates one of the ironies of the modern world - that three-quarters of global hunger is located amongst farmers and their workers. Most of the remaining quarter is found amongst the urban poor.

"International Drivers of Food Insecurity

"Each of the dominant drivers of food insecurity has its origins in the developed economies, beyond the control of poorer countries. To this extent, world hunger is a consequence of the unequal political and economic relations of globalisation.

"World Food Prices

"World food prices are determined by traders active on international commodity markets. They are influenced by a range of factors, real and imagined, of which the most important is the price of oil. The (name removed by moderator)uts and operations of modern farming are highly dependent on oil products.

"The outcome of this pricing process impinges on over 75 developing countries which are net importers of food. Almost all those classified as Least Developed Countries fall into this category.

"Food prices are critical to social stability in poor countries because the world’s poorest two billion people spend 50%-70% of their incomes on food. They have no mechanism to cope with rising prices other than to reduce the volume or nutritional quality of their consumption.

"When the FAO Cereal Price Index doubled in the year to April 2008, food riots in 23 countries prompted a global crisis. Another round of increases, of similar extent, was triggered in mid-2010 in the aftermath of poor harvests and export bans in Russia and Ukraine. The transmission of these international prices to local markets varies in degree and the consequences remain uncertain.

"World Trade Rules

"This succession of unstable price hikes in global food markets offers strong evidence that the world’s trade regime for agriculture is unfit for purpose. It certainly fails by any measure of justice between rich and poor countries.

"Determined to support the dominant profile of small family farms in the aftermath of the Second World War, the European Common Agricultural Policy and the US Farm Bill both provided generous subsidies and protective tariffs. These policies proved successful, generating colossal internal food surpluses.

"Ambitions of the poorer countries of the modern world to copy this approach remain unfulfilled. This is largely because they are bound by the system of open market rules adopted by the World Trade Organization in 1995. At the same time, the richer countries refused to unravel their own protectionist model.

"This hypocrisy remains a fundamental barrier to development and food security. Developing countries find their domestic markets undercut by cheap food imports dumped by rich countries. Exporters encounter trade barriers erected in Europe and US.

“According to a report by the group of richer OECD countries, the total support paid to their agriculture producers in 2009 totalled $253 billion. This is more than six times the UN’s estimate of the annual cost of eradicating hunger by 2025.”

Peace,
Ed
 
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Is lukewarm Catholicism possible in the United States? Every parish has a patch of dirt that can be cultivated. Get to it. Let’s each ask our pastor if we can plant a pair of fruit trees and, with God’s love driving this and other efforts, famine in America will be impossible, by God. It is the passivity of the American Catholic that is the problem. Let’s “pray and work.”

Lord, deliver us from passivity and lead us to active Catholic loving and living that brings miracles of achievements, all for Your honor and glory. Thanks. AMEN
 
PS The Mormons (Utah brand) own 660,000 acres of Oklahoma; and have a two-year food supply stashed away. All Catholic parishes should have emergency food for Civil Defense/Homeland Security considerations; and Catholics should be planting and reaping, not passively analyzing. Off to plant the parish grounds now…Set a goal and meet and even exceed it. Two fruit trees TODAY!
 
If there is a famine, IMO it is more likely that it will be caused by the fact that our basic staple crops are grown in only a very few genetically homogenous varieties. These varieties are highly selected for large yields, low irrigation needs, pesticide and herbicide resistance and hardiness. But if some previously unknown crop ailment (fungus, pest, plant disease, etc) comes along that is fatal to one or more of these very few varieties, we could lose vast quantities of our crop yields almost overnight.
Indeed. If I had to wager what would cause famine in the US, it would be this.
 
PPS I’ve got a nice little wheat patch in the side yard. Just planted wheat berries from a health food supplier of sprouting grains. I ate the tops off the young greens–very healing–and even after that pruning in their youth they are setting big, fat grain heads. There is no limit excepting that of our minds. Will that God’s will be done. “Be fruitful and multiply” kids and food. Grow!
 
PPPS If you plant non-hybrid “heritage” plants, and lots of tomato plants are sold this way, you can plant the seeds next year or do nothing. They will plant themselves. Start today. Set a goal and hit it. Today I will plant heritage plants and two fruit trees for my parish family. Stick a couple of 6" cuttings off of berry bushes in the ground. These canes will take off. Plant the roadsides. Plant vacant lots. The urban gardening movement is huge. Do something now. Faith is action. Step out in faith and give God the fruits of Your actions He deserves. Call the city and ask to plant roadways. Instead of those barren Bradford Pears plant real Pear and Apple trees. Lord, inspire us to act!
 
PPS I’ve got a nice little wheat patch in the side yard. Just planted wheat berries from a health food supplier of sprouting grains. I ate the tops off the young greens–very healing–and even after that pruning in their youth they are setting big, fat grain heads. There is no limit excepting that of our minds. Will that God’s will be done. “Be fruitful and multiply” kids and food. Grow!
👍👍

Why work to buy tomatoes when one tomato seed will produce many tomatoes! Friends, producing your own food is one way to get away from this doomed economy.
 
Absolutely.

More and more people are living in cities, in appartment buildings, in tiny little suburban houses. How much do you guys import? How much do you guys have in farm lands locally? How many individuals living in cities could grow vegetables if their life depended on it?

All it would take would be a huge crash on the market or a wall, or for the govt. to collaspe. Importation of food collaspes, petrol becomes scarce so even transport nationally becomes difficult. Food would become expensive.

If there was a massive environmental disaster or a small scale nuclear war you’d really be in the pig muck.

Now, while everyone won’ t stave, there be little towns and rural centres that do quite well, but if you hae millions of people in cities with very little access to food, that’s where you will find your higher number of deaths, but their movement out of the cities in search of food would put more pressure on the rural centres.

While currently I think its not likely to happen any time soon, as for famine to happen there’d have to be a series of events that cause a lot of problems, I do think its possible. I think all those in the West need to stop being too comfortable, there’s a real “the United States will be there forever”. Govts and societies come and go, and there’s always something to step up into the void to replace the former… its that period between that’s the issue. That’s where you’ll get your famine.
 
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