Is feminism anti-Catholic?

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I worked in a large hospital in a major metropolitan area. I interacted with at least 100 women ranging from doctors to other specialists. We all treated each other with respect.

You were extremely lucky then. God Bless you. I worked in a medium sized metropolitan military hospital and the males were typically overbearing, made sexually abusive type comments on a daily/hourly basis, fondled the females at every opportunity, tried to get the females removed from their male predominent offices, etc. When one E7 tried to have me removed, I produced a list of all the comments, actions, and attitudes, with dates, and places, and all that was done was I was REMOVED (to another clinic) but NOTHING was done to him.

In your example, why didn’t you bring suit?

Because in the Army you are not ALLOWED to bring suit, and it would have just made it worse, as any woman in the military can tell you.

Is your only choice feminism or true justice?

I didn’t choose feminism. however, I have fought with every bone in my body against the power of the male over my life. My particular experience has not been pleasant. There are some women who have had no problems, but I would dare say they are the exception, not the rule, just as your good experience in the Large hospital was the exception not the rule.

True justice will only come in the next world, it doesn’t exist in this world.
Money BUYS most “justice” on earth.

Please describe my attitude. I watched as radical feminists, in concert with other radical, anti-family organizations, worked hard to destroy the family.

Your attitude speaks for itself, I have no need to describe it. However, I will describe it as patronizing and inflammatory.

One of the quickest routes to poverty in this country is to be an unwed mother with children.

And, pray tell, who LEFT that woman unwed and pregnant?

Why not tell all young women to simply avoid men?

I would if they would listen.
Your attitude is one of bitterness and you wish to make that bitterness part of you. That will not be good for you in the long run.

The man left the woman? How do you know that? Have you heard the song “Sisters are doing it for themselves”?

I was there when a young lady was telling her friend she didn’t need a man in her life. This after she dumped him.

It takes TWO, not one, person to get pregnant. I am sure many women know this. That is why the “keep your beliefs off my body” statement rings hollow. The woman did not get pregnant by herself.

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Ed
 
Doesn’t it all depend on what you mean by feminism?
I believe this to be an accurate statement.

To me “feminism” is the fight for respectful treatment of females.

This includes:
Equal pay for equal work
The right to say no, even if it is against your will
The right to support and child pay after children are conceived and then the male runs off with the “next” bimbo.
The right to be safe in their own home, not to be beaten and worse
To be treated equally in court when we fight back: man kills his wife he spends 10 years in prison TOPS, women kills her abusive husband and she spends life

There are “radical” anythings but most people are just normal people fighting for what should be their human rights.
 
Your attitude is one of bitterness and you wish to make that bitterness part of you
Not bitterness (typical male point of view) … just my experiences, plainly stated.

As I said, as a male you have NO clue.
 
There are “radical” anythings but most people are just normal people fighting for what should be their human rights.
Agreed. Fairness is something we all seek, unfortunately we just can’t seem to agree on how to draw the line. 😉

I just got caught up on your little back and forth with Ed, and i’d like make one comment.

I think your both talking about two different things - or rather two different aspects of what is called feminism.

Because that word encompasses so many different issues dealing with women, on so many different levels, a degree of refinement might be required.

Ed’s obviously concerned with the breakdown of the nuclear family, but i’d like to think all of us here are sympathetic to your experiences.

Eh, maybe i’m mangling this, but i guess what i’m saying is that your concerns and his don’t have to necessarily conflict. It all depends on how you define it.
 
And, pray tell, who LEFT that woman unwed and pregnant?

Why not tell all young women to simply avoid men?

I would if they would listen.
Mary, i’d like to think we’re not all that bad.

Oh sure, perhaps we do forget to put down the toilet seat, tend to be highly inconsiderate about special events/dates, generally act like children when we don’t get our way, and expect women to clean up our messes…

Hmm, wait i’m not really making much of a case for my gender am I? 😛

All kidding aside though, while i’m not disputing your experiences nor the reality of the broader issues you’ve stated, i’d also like to say that i’ve seen well - the reverse.

I’ve seen devotion madame, motivated by simply common decency. So don’t lose hope.
 
Oh sure, perhaps we do forget to put down the toilet seat, tend to be highly inconsiderate about special events/dates, generally act like children when we don’t get our way, and expect women to clean up our messes…
Hmm, wait i’m not really making much of a case for my gender am I?
Thank you for the best laugh I have had today. 😉 oh and thanks for adding that “not”

And I have seen the reverse as well, not as the most common occurance, but it does happen. 😃
 
Agreed. Fairness is something we all seek, unfortunately we just can’t seem to agree on how to draw the line. 😉

I just got caught up on your little back and forth with Ed, and i’d like make one comment.

I think your both talking about two different things - or rather two different aspects of what is called feminism.

Because that word encompasses so many different issues dealing with women, on so many different levels, a degree of refinement might be required.

Ed’s obviously concerned with the breakdown of the nuclear family, but i’d like to think all of us here are sympathetic to your experiences.

Eh, maybe i’m mangling this, but i guess what i’m saying is that your concerns and his don’t have to necessarily conflict. It all depends on how you define it.
Let me ask you, then. How will Feminism solve any of the problems mentioned? What will be the mechanism in Feminism that solves any of those problems? I was there 40 years ago when NOW sounded their battle cry against “male chauvenist pigs.” At the time, they claimed they were against women being treated like sex objects. Did any of them protest outside of the porn bookstores or movie theaters or strip clubs? Look up their “no position” position on prostitution. I can’t think of one thing NOW actually did to help women.

What they did do was convince some women that they were eternal victims. But did they really give any women any good advice about life? I don’t recall any. As far as I can tell, all that did come out of it was Sex and the City, where women portrayed female chauvenist pigs.

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Ed
 
Let me ask you, then. How will Feminism solve any of the problems mentioned? What will be the mechanism in Feminism that solves any of those problems?
Lol, Ed. Solve? I tend to take the position that any “-ism” can’t really solve problems. They can serve as a baseline for a methodology (and those might solve problems) or as an expression of discontent. Sometimes they can serve a dual role.

In the case of Feminism, i think i made my point when i stated i really can’t pick out a monolithic position. There are Feminists, there are Feminisms, but there is no one True Feminism. Not any longer at least. You can find groups advocating a variety of positions under the banner of Feminism because it will depend on said group’s interpretation of it. (Actally, refer to Buffalo’s link as an example above).

Their agendas can even be conflicting.

The trick of course is to make sure not be fooled by the label.

To draw an analogy: I can’t equate the actions of David Koresh with the whole of Christianity can I? It would be utterly nonsensical of me to do as such.

NOW doesn’t represent all those who wave the feminist banner. Not anymore at least.
 
NOW doesn’t represent all those who wave the feminist banner. Not anymore at least.
They have never represented all of us, now or then.
 
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