Is Genesis 2: 15-17 an explanation of Original Sin?

[grannymh]

What is the explanation of Original Sin?

With all the bashing of God on this thread
Someone could guess the two persons involved.

By the way, bashing God does not help find the truth. At the very least, saying some nasty things in reference to our Creator God is rude.

 

[grannymh]

Tiny question for OneSheep.

0n which side of Genesis 1: 25 do you choose to live?

 

[grannymh]

The Truth of Genesis has a good deal to do with obedience.

Do you know how the truth of Genesis 1: 27 is essential for obedience?

 

[grannymh]

To the degree that Genesis 2 compromises His Merciful Image, to that degree we have to find non-literal means of interpreting the story.

My bet is that you cannot substantiate that.

 

[grannymh]

It is difficult to make choices when we are not aware of the choices, and when we do not know all the relevant ramifications, consequences, effects of the choices, we are also making choices from a position of ignorance. Once A&E experienced eating the forbidden fruit, they suddenly “knew better”, they experienced shame. If they had full knowledge, they would have “known better” before they ate the fruit.

Dollar to a Donut
How many choices did Adam have? What were they? On which side of Genesis 1: 25 did Adam live?

 

[grannymh]

As I stroll through the fora, I ask myself before clicking here “I wonder what kind of mischief Granny is up to today?”

Today? I am stirring the pot.
And I know on which side of Genesis 1: 25 I live.

 

[OneSheep]

Dollar to a Donut
How many choices did Adam have? What were they? On which side of Genesis 1: 25 did Adam live?

Sorry, Granny, I’ve been away talking politics.

I’m confused by your question. We are all created by God, and all of our nature comes from Him.

Blessings!

 

[grannymh]

Sorry, Granny, I’ve been away talking politics.

I’m confused by your question. We are all created by God, and all of our nature comes from Him.

Blessings!

Apparently, someone did not tell you that there is a difference in nature before and after Genesis 1: 25. Which nature would you like to be --before Genesis 1: 25 or after Genesis 1: 25?

It could be that your “confusion” is caused when those first three captivating chapters in Genesis become an allegory for this or that. My humble suggestion is to get a new mentor. Apparently, the current mentor is very busy building his own alternative catholic church.

Here is a link which may help.
usccb.org/bible/books-of-the-bible/index.cfm

 

[grannymh]

It could be argued that the original authors did not intend that Adam and Eve were created as super-human with some kind of omniscience. ]quote]

And then someone would argue – according to natural science – Adam and Eve were created as super-human with some kind of omniscience. The chart of Homo en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution#Homo

When we are dealing with something as important as ourselves, we should not fool around with nonsense.

And then someone would argue that there is a difference between what goes before Genesis 1: 25 and what follows after Genesis 1: 25. Sometimes, we have to lift the rug.

 

[grannymh]

From post 960

Good Morning Simpleas,

It could be argued that the original authors did not intend that Adam and Eve were created as super-human with some kind of omniscience. The story is about obedience, as well as a means by which we can put the responsibility for some of our ills on humanity rather than God.

It could be argued that the original authors did not intend that Adam and Eve were created as super-human with some kind of omniscience.

And then someone would argue – according to natural science – Adam and Eve were created as super-human with some kind of omniscience. The chart of Homo. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution#Homo

When we are dealing with something as important as ourselves, we should not fool around with nonsense.

And then someone would argue that there is a difference between what goes before Genesis 1: 25 and what follows after Genesis 1: 25. Sometimes, we have to lift the rug.

 

[grannymh]

From post 960

Good Morning Simpleas,

The story is about obedience, as well as a means by which we can put the responsibility for some of our ills on humanity rather than God.

We? Who died and put us in charge of Divine Revelation as it unfolds in the first three heavy-duty chapters of Sacred Scripture?

 

[OneSheep]

Apparently, someone did not tell you that there is a difference in nature before and after Genesis 1: 25. Which nature would you like to be --before Genesis 1: 25 or after Genesis 1: 25?

It could be that your “confusion” is caused when those first three captivating chapters in Genesis become an allegory for this or that. My humble suggestion is to get a new mentor. Apparently, the current mentor is very busy building his own alternative catholic church.

Here is a link which may help.
usccb.org/bible/books-of-the-bible/index.cfm

Good Morning, Granny

Well, the nature of creation before 25 was good, and the nature after 25 was also good. If you are talking about people being made in the image of God, yes, I am a person, so I too have been made in His image. Did I answer your question?

BTW: I have many, many “mentors”. None of them are interested in building an alternative Catholic Church.

We? Who died and put us in charge of Divine Revelation as it unfolds in the first three heavy-duty chapters of Sacred Scripture?

The Holy Spirit speaks through people.

Have you gotten to Z? I must have missed it.

 

[grannymh]

From post 946

St Augustine ran across difficulties, and he tampered. St Thomas A. ran across discontinuities, and tampered. St. Anselm… St. Bonaventure, Karl Rahner, John duns Scotus, Pope Benedict all of them addressed problems. All of these people participate(d) in unfolding revelation. Martin Luther participated. Bishop Tutu participates. Carlton Pearson participates, Pope Francis participates. Mother Theresa participated, so much was revealed through her work. The Advocate works through all of them and many, many more.

All these wonderful people were happy in their work because they completely understood the difference between living before Genesis 1: 25 and living after Genesis 1:25. Living after Genesis 1: 25 demands responsibility for proclaiming God’s truth as taught by the Catholic Church with no sweet-talking changes.

People who have chosen to live after Genesis 1: 25 are confident that their suggested tampering which, obviously was conducted before the start of a major Ecumenical Church Council, would put on the table the major issues of God’s Divine Revelation.

One might point out that everywhere across today’s globe, there is tamper this because… tamper that because…

Obviously, a mentor can tamper with this and that. This …happens because she or he knows that there are a lot of Catholics who have no clue about the protocol of the visible Catholic Church organization on planet earth.

 

[grannymh]

Good Morning, Granny

Well, the nature of creation before 25 was good, and the nature after 25 was also good. If you are talking about people being made in the image of God, yes, I am a person, so I too have been made in His image. Did I answer your question?

Yes.

 

[grannymh]

Good Morning, Granny

Well, the nature of creation before 25 was good, and the nature after 25 was also good. If you are talking about people being made in the image of God, yes, I am a person, so I too have been made in His image. Did I answer your question?

BTW: I have many, many “mentors”. None of them are interested in building an alternative Catholic Church.

The Holy Spirit speaks through people.

Have you gotten to Z? I must have missed it.

“The Holy Spirit speaks through people.” From OneSheep, post 977.
Are you speaking about one of the nine classical Gifts of the Holy Spirit listed by St. Paul?

“Have you gotten to Z? I must have missed it.” From OneSheep, post 977.

Practically speaking, we are now headed to the barn as my Irish Mother would say. Post 1,000 is in spitting distance. I am content with whatever you wish to post.

 

[grannymh]

As we head to the barn, as my Irish Mother would say, I wonder why there is so much fear about the “story of disobedience.”

Interestingly, those who fear the most will say that there cannot be disagreements within the Catholic Church. Unity must be maintained. See wonderful citations in previous posts. Common sense says that the only way all humans can all agree is that all humans are living in the world before Genesis 1:25. Talk about blinders.

So far, it looks like the fearful would rather stay in the trenches and skip the true “story of disobedience.” Common Sense about the Catholic Church is not always common.

 

[simpleas]

As we head to the barn, as my Irish Mother would say, I wonder why there is so much fear about the “story of disobedience.”

Interestingly, those who fear the most will say that there cannot be disagreements within the Catholic Church. Unity must be maintained. See wonderful citations in previous posts. Common sense says that the only way all humans can all agree is that all humans are living in the world before Genesis 1:25. Talk about blinders.

So far, it looks like the fearful would rather stay in the trenches and skip the true “story of disobedience.” Common Sense about the Catholic Church is not always common.

I don’t quite get why you are assuming there is fear over obedience/disobedience, posters seemed to be saying obedience/disobedience is part of the fall story.

Not long to go until thread is at it’s limit, the true obedience story could be the start of another thread.

There is no such thing as common sense…I am not common…LOL

 

[grannymh]

I don’t quite get why you are assuming there is fear over obedience/disobedience, posters seemed to be saying obedience/disobedience is part of the fall story.

There are way too many interesting individual speculations about real Divine Revelations on this thread – I have no way of finding out what you specifically read. Would it be possible to point me to some posts which seem to be saying “obedience/disobedience is part of the fall story.” And why are they saying it and if it looks like someone is tampering with Divine Revelation?

I sincerely would like to read that bit of news. Thank you.

 

[grannymh]

I don’t quite get why you are assuming there is fear over obedience/disobedience, posters seemed to be saying obedience/disobedience is part of the fall story.

Not long to go until thread is at it’s limit, the true obedience story could be the start of another thread.

There is no such thing as common sense…I am not common…LOL

The true obedience story has been trashed by the concept that anyone, with a smile and a handshake, can tamper God’s Divine love. If people would take the time to study the world after Genesis 1: 25, God’s true love would be so shining that we would have to wear sun glasses.
:tanning:

 

[grannymh]

Not long to go until thread is at it’s limit, the true obedience story could be the start of another thread.

OneSheep won.

Faithful persons are turning away with the prospect of unfolding God’s revelation according to their tampering preferences especially when there are difficult questions flowing from the first three revealing chapters of Sacred Scripture.

OneSheep has already won.